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Not really, I have thought through libertarianism pretty completely, and there would be some very big differences between the system we have today (in the US) a
by syshum 5y ago
Not really, I have thought through libertarianism pretty completely, and there would be some very big differences between the system we have today (in the US) and what libertarianism would call for.
Hell I can even come up with a workable UBI using libertarian philosophy that would at the same time solve the productivity / automation gap in wages people are seemingly concerned with using georgism as a base.
The reality is people that only have a basic understanding of libertarianism, often only looking to Anarcho style libertarinaism specifically, that make the statements you have.
Other forms of Libertarianism, like Geo-Libertarianism do exist.
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- cloudfifty 5y agoNoticed how rare it is too see libertarians promote some sort of "Great Reset"? That is, to make sure that people in their new "fair & meritocratic" system don't get a head start by wealth accumulated under the flawed previous system. Well...its absence pretty much shows their hand. It's just another power grab by the incumbents. Furthermore it is more accurately referred to as Propertarianism, since upholding private property is the sole purpose of that entire ideology.
- syshum 5y agoYou either did not read my comment, or do not understand Georgism or Geo-Libertarianism if you call it "Propertarianism", libertarianism encompasses a large range of economic models, you seem to only be familiar with the Ancap models where by homestead principle is the primary distribution of property. Georgism / Geo-Libertarianism flows from Lockean philosophy of natural rights, concluding the premise of human equality alone implies that the benefits of natural resources be shared equally.
- cloudfifty 5y agoSo you just add a tax on land ownership and do nothing about wealth concentration - and thus power concentration - and think it will magically work out? Those rich powerful folks are now just going to stop attempting to bend the rules in their favour? Those taxes would be gone within a year and all that's left is a Propertarian neo-feudalism. You also skipped the answering the main part, a "Great Reset" that surely must be a logical first step to avoid undue advantage jumping over from the flawed past?
- syshum 5y agoI actually did not skip over it. An economic reset under a Geo-Libertarian model would be very different than what you are talking about when you refer to the Authoritarian Socialist "Great Reset" proposed by the authoritarians on the US Political left. So no as a libertarian, I would not be in favor of an Authoritarian "Great Reset", that is with out getting to unfeasible nature of the Authoritarian "Great Reset" for which you claim my libertarian model would be unworkable, but yet believe an Authoritarian "Great Reset" would be... odd
- cloudfifty 5y agoSo the idea is to keep the wealth/power concentration of today and hope that they will comply with a land value tax and stop trying to use their power to bend the rules? I'm sorry but that is even more naive than an old-school authoritarian vanguardist. > Authoritarian Socialist "Great Reset" proposed by the authoritarians on the US Political left. This sounded interesting though, care to explain what - and who? - this is referring to?
- syshum 5y agoyou do understand that libertarianism has no concept of corporations in the first place right? Corporations are government fictional entity created as a liability shield, so the fact you believe libertarians will create "biggest corporations takes all" shows your lack of understanding of libertarianism. The second the government creates a legal entity of corporations that government ceases to be libertarian. >>Fascist dictatorship is the final state of numerous, maybe most starting points. No, most nations will devolve to fascism as a direct result of trusted the concept of democracy too much, democracy naturally lend themselves to moving more and more power into the centralized control of the majority, at which point it is short step to fascism This is something the left in the US gets wrong very often as attempts to nationalize more and more regulation and laws at the federal level, attempts to make more and more of our system "democratic". Federalism with a strong constitution is the way to preserve liberty, and stave off fascism, 2 things the left in the US want to tear down
- rini17 5y agoSo the libertarians are distinct from ancaps? If it involves capitalism in some way that means there is some kind of concentration of capital and thus inevitably corporations.
- syshum 5y agolibertarianism is about social and economic freedom, it stands opposite of authoritarianism, under both there are "right" economic concepts, such as the homestead principle, libertarians that support homestead principle are ancaps. There are also "left" economic concepts such as Georgism, libertarians that support Georgism are Geo-Libertarians We are all libertarians in that we believe strong centralized governments are antithesis of liberty
- rini17 5y agoThe question was about corporations. Whether they depend on strong government. I think that is not true, they merely depend on societally enforced notion of property. Libertarians might find a way for property to work without government, but that does not automatically make corporations obsolete.
- ozfive 5y agoIt's obvious that you are a troll.
- syshum 5y agoIn what way? Because I have an differing world view.
- ozfive 5y agoEven today I am still reconciling your "differing world view" and find it to too much of an edge case to be anything but troll like. EDIT: The jury is still out in my mind whether you add value based on how far out there you are.