Seems like we're in agreement, unless I'm misreading something. Obviously, you can say that, but the people you say it too now also loses their reasons to upho

Seems like we're in agreement, unless I'm misreading something. Obviously, you can say that, but the people you say it too now also loses their reasons to uphold your words. If you tell me I can't have food from you, and I also have no other way to get food, I'm going to have to disregard your right to property you were hoping to have and force my way into your plate of food. And now we're back at the typical human power struggles and infighting. I think your point is that simply asking for food when you don't have it doesn't magically solve the problem. And I agree, but if you think about who you're asking it makes more sense. You're asking those who have all the food or means of producing food to give you some, or to do something about your lack of food. They were handed ownership of food and food production, now there's people who feel they don't have the food they need. They're complaining to those who own the food and its production, which to me makes sense, since they are the best positioned to solve the problem as the owner of the food and food production. And those who don't own food or food production have little ability to do anything about it. That's what I was trying to convey, there's no where else to try my luck, everything is already fenced up. This is kind of just a debate on equal opportunity and equity I guess. Everyone should have equal opportunity, and those who haven't in the past might need equitable retribution to make up for it. Asking for that I think is very different than asking to be handed things without effort. I think most people simply ask for justice, if you had land and couldn't make food with it, so be it. Most people might accept their fate. Now it be nice to also deal with those unlucky in their attempts, but now it's a different debate. If you never had land to begin with, had your land taken, etc., that's another story. I'm also 100% in agreement with the following: > It needs a culture that cherishes this, enforces this, perpetuates this. Even though I'm not so sure how best to nurture such a culture.