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> They are. They are held to higher standards than any of their conpetitors. Are they, though? I don't see people claiming that "crowded dorms without flush t

by fivea 5y ago

> They are. They are held to higher standards than any of their conpetitors. Are they, though? I don't see people claiming that "crowded dorms without flush toilets and food sometimes crawling with worms" is totally fine if the plant makes Samsung or off-brand smartphones. What I'm seeing is a luxury brand on the defensive because their customer base learned that the workers making Apple's luxury products not only have been enduring "crowded dorms without flush toilets and food sometimes crawling with worms" but also tainted food that causes mass health issues. What really boggles the mind is that these sub-human working conditions seem to cause downtime in their plants, which ultimately means it costs them money. But somehow even that is not enough to convince them to treat workers as if they are human beings.

zepto 5y ago
> But somehow even that is not enough to convince them to treat workers as if they are human beings. As has been said many times in this thread. It’s not Apple’s factory. Apple does have much higher standards than this, and has a program of enforcement. The problem is that inspections are often faked.
- fivea 5y ago
  > As has been said many times in this thread. It’s not Apple’s factory. Apple does have much higher standards than this, and has a program of enforcement. That makes no sense. I mean, all you need to do to check if the factory subjects workers to subhuman conditions is send someone from Apple there, look around, and ask a few questions to random employees. And also, are you really trying to argue that Apple is able to verify and guarantee that their luxury consumer electronics products leave the plant meeting tight quality control requirements but somehow it's impossible to ensure that the same employees who met those quality control specs will have worm-free meals?
  - zepto 5y ago
    > I mean, all you need to do to check if the factory subjects workers to subhuman conditions is send someone from Apple there, look around, and ask a few questions to random employees. All the factory has to do is clean things up for the inspection and make sure the employees know they’ll be fired for speaking up. Also, consider that these conditions existed in only some of the dormitories. To find them they would have needed to inspect them all.

by fivea 5y ago

zepto 5y ago

> But somehow even that is not enough to convince them to treat workers as if they are human beings. As has been said many times in this thread. It’s not Apple’s factory. Apple does have much higher standards than this, and has a program of enforcement. The problem is that inspections are often faked.

fivea 5y ago
> As has been said many times in this thread. It’s not Apple’s factory. Apple does have much higher standards than this, and has a program of enforcement. That makes no sense. I mean, all you need to do to check if the factory subjects workers to subhuman conditions is send someone from Apple there, look around, and ask a few questions to random employees. And also, are you really trying to argue that Apple is able to verify and guarantee that their luxury consumer electronics products leave the plant meeting tight quality control requirements but somehow it's impossible to ensure that the same employees who met those quality control specs will have worm-free meals?
- zepto 5y ago
  > I mean, all you need to do to check if the factory subjects workers to subhuman conditions is send someone from Apple there, look around, and ask a few questions to random employees. All the factory has to do is clean things up for the inspection and make sure the employees know they’ll be fired for speaking up. Also, consider that these conditions existed in only some of the dormitories. To find them they would have needed to inspect them all.