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With video you can’t “cheat”. You can’t gather up a second of frames and stack to one photo. That’s what phones to quite well. You only have 1/24s (say) to get

With video you can’t “cheat”. You can’t gather up a second of frames and stack to one photo. That’s what phones to quite well. You only have 1/24s (say) to get the shot before you need to get the next one. I bet an Iphone12 would have made better stills than my aging canon 60D which I try to keep at 1600 or lower. And that’s pretty remarkable to be honest.

sudosysgen 5y ago
Oh yeah you definitely can. Multiframe mode on my old A7ii gets me all the way to 1/2 of a second handheld. You have a 60D, which is very old, and it would still do much better than an iPhone 12 with a fast lens on top.
Zak 5y ago
> You can’t gather up a second of frames and stack to one photo. Oh, but you can. A full second would make for a very choppy video of course so you don't have as long in which to do it as you might for a still, but there are benefits to be gained and the Pixel 6 series does exactly that. https://9to5google.com/2021/08/02/google-pixel-6-video-hdr-teaser/ https://9to5google.com/2021/08/02/google-pixel-6-video-hdr-t...
usui 5y ago
I don't understand, why is this ruled out? Assuming that phones reach a point where this is computationally cheap, what would be so hard about having a sliding window for each frame in the video?
- withinboredom 5y ago
  The camera moving?
  - usui 5y ago
    Then increase the rate at which frames get captured since the video is destined to be ≈24-30 fps anyway?
    - floatboth 5y ago
      But the higher the framerate, the less time you have for exposure on each frame.
- alkonaut 5y ago
  Nothing prevents that, but if there is a lot of movement (which would be the point of using video) then the great results aren’t as easy to get. You can’t take a still of someone dancing in a dark room with an iPhone, you can take a still of someone standing reasonably still in a dark room.
  - usui 5y ago
    Isn't this a similar problem to the blurry-face vs. leaf-face issue discussed? If yes, then one would hand it off to computation to figure out which parts matter and need doctoring, except scaled up to video.
ekianjo 5y ago
the iphone 12 has no depth of field so a larger sensor is anyway much better. there is no way around it. You cant hack your way to photography.
- creato 5y ago
  A shallow depth of field isn't always what you want though. Sometimes a shallow depth of field is good, sometimes it isn't.

sudosysgen 5y ago

Oh yeah you definitely can. Multiframe mode on my old A7ii gets me all the way to 1/2 of a second handheld. You have a 60D, which is very old, and it would still do much better than an iPhone 12 with a fast lens on top.

Zak 5y ago

> You can’t gather up a second of frames and stack to one photo. Oh, but you can. A full second would make for a very choppy video of course so you don't have as long in which to do it as you might for a still, but there are benefits to be gained and the Pixel 6 series does exactly that. https://9to5google.com/2021/08/02/google-pixel-6-video-hdr-teaser/ https://9to5google.com/2021/08/02/google-pixel-6-video-hdr-t...

usui 5y ago

I don't understand, why is this ruled out? Assuming that phones reach a point where this is computationally cheap, what would be so hard about having a sliding window for each frame in the video?

withinboredom 5y ago
The camera moving?
- usui 5y ago
  Then increase the rate at which frames get captured since the video is destined to be ≈24-30 fps anyway?
  - floatboth 5y ago
    But the higher the framerate, the less time you have for exposure on each frame.
alkonaut 5y ago
Nothing prevents that, but if there is a lot of movement (which would be the point of using video) then the great results aren’t as easy to get. You can’t take a still of someone dancing in a dark room with an iPhone, you can take a still of someone standing reasonably still in a dark room.
- usui 5y ago
  Isn't this a similar problem to the blurry-face vs. leaf-face issue discussed? If yes, then one would hand it off to computation to figure out which parts matter and need doctoring, except scaled up to video.

ekianjo 5y ago

the iphone 12 has no depth of field so a larger sensor is anyway much better. there is no way around it. You cant hack your way to photography.

creato 5y ago
A shallow depth of field isn't always what you want though. Sometimes a shallow depth of field is good, sometimes it isn't.