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As someone that has worked with Chinese production enough to for it to give me grey (each order in the many-millions of pieces) - the factories do this behind t
by quitit 5y ago
As someone that has worked with Chinese production enough to for it to give me grey (each order in the many-millions of pieces) - the factories do this behind the backs of the company and they're pretty good at evading detection, and yes they know it's wrong.
For example any scheduled inspection by Apple would be met with a safe and well running facility - and the moment they leave it all returns back to normal. Apple, like other companies, do random inspections - and that's when you find all of the infractions, but these companies are pretty clued in to when a random inspection might occur since there are telltale signs for that (the factories will also pay off anyone they need in order to get advance notice, e.g drivers, airport staff, hotels you name it.)
So it's a constant battle of trying to uncover and rectify the supplier problems. As a simple anecdote for the production staff to have normal working hours we would need to pay them as if they worked an 18 hour day on the requirement that they used the rest of the day for rest and leisure - because otherwise they'd just go to other factories to get in additional hours. The workers are not there for a good time, they're there for the cash.
Despite the Apple hate on HN (HN has a big thing for double-standards), Apple do a very good job about this and unlike many companies Apple publish their own dirty laundry in their supplier responsibility report.
As someone rightly noted earlier: You hear about the Apple ones, you barely hear anything from non-American companies, but let me assure you - their conditions are far worse and in many cases simply dangerous and not suitable for humans.1
1. https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2018/11/23/samsung-electronics-apologises-over-factory-worker-cancer-cases https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2018/11/23/samsung-electro...
- themaninthedark 5y agoIf you can not trust your suppliers then why do you continue to do business with them? How many times has Foxconn been in the news for the same sort of issues? Is Apple not aware of that? Is Apple unable to find a supplier who can meet their needs? You say that Apple does a good job, they publish reports and so on. I say bullshit. Apple accepts the status quo and does the bare minimum to make people think they care. Same as Nike and everyone else. Sure, you don't get the same reports from some companies. That just means that they are not trying to blow as much smoke up your ass. If Apple or anyone else was serious about doing something they would. In 2007, the tech press was all aglow with the wonder that Apple could command a production change a month before shipping https://www.cnet.com/news/a-tale-of-apple-the-iphone-and-overseas-manufacturing/ https://www.cnet.com/news/a-tale-of-apple-the-iphone-and-ove... Now poor Apple is helpless and at the mercy of their suppliers? You want to hear a solution? Apple, Microsoft, Samsung and who ever start a joint venture assembly. They choose and hire the management. They have representatives at the factory. The reason they do not is because they do not want to pay what it costs to be done right. If they wanted to, they could. They are smart and powerful people, any excuses are just bullshit.
- quitit 5y agoI mean I could go through this bit by bit and provide good rationales for why things are the way they are, cite my own examples and provide links to industry whitepapers and even detail the numerous ways that such companies do indeed improve their supply chain (even how they do quite a bit of their own assembly as you casually solve major problems with little more than 5 seconds of thought)... but I've learnt that certain figures on HN are not interested in resolving the real issue (nor do they really care) and the facts are disinteresting to such people because you could have looked up plenty of counter-statements to what you've stated there. No, it's the drama you want, and you want it to be loud and about specific brands that you don't personally like. That's why I don't bother.