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> I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. High demand doesn't mean the product is q

> I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. High demand doesn't mean the product is quality. Fyre festival sold thousands of tickets, even though it was fundamentally fraudulent. Video games are another perfect example: fans pre-order AAA titles that studios fail to deliver over and over and over again. Demand just means that people like the idea of it, not that the product actually delivers on its stated promises.

walrus01 5y ago
> Video games are another perfect example: fans pre-order AAA titles that studios fail to deliver over and over and over again I literally pre-ordered Anthem, and then apparently having not learned my lesson, did the same with Cyberpunk 2077. Enough said...
- sahila 5y ago
  The thing about games vs cars is games aren't even supply-constrained; you just download a copy from the store! Even if you buy the physical games, they're almost always available within a few days of release at most. Just not a good idea to preorder games.
jonas21 5y ago
Unlike the Fyre festival or an unfinished video game, Teslas already exist. You can see them driving down the road. Maybe you know someone who owns one and can ask them about it. Even if you don't, there's no shortage of reviews and videos of actual Teslas made by people who don't work for Tesla. By this point, you should know more or less what you're getting if you buy a Tesla, so that demand is presumably based on the actual product and not just the idea.
- thr0wawayf00 5y ago
  > there's no shortage of reviews and videos of actual Teslas made by people who don't work for Tesla. The whole point of this thread is criticizing a company, Consumer Reports, that does exactly this. The message I responded implied that high demand automatically means a quality product, while Consumer Reports is downgrading Tesla's rating.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  Tesla sells plenty of things that don't already exist. Real FSD is one of them, as is the cyber truck and Roadster, and robotaxis.
mym1990 5y ago
It does mean that the quality is acceptable enough to the buyer at that price, and that says a lot.
- thr0wawayf00 5y ago
  Again, just because people are willing to pay a price for a product that works doesn't automatically mean they're going to get one that does, which is why companies like Consumer Reports exist. They're in the business of ensuring that products that companies put out actually meet the standards they claim.
  - mym1990 5y ago
    Which is why reviews are most often skewed towards negativity unless there is a clear incentive to leave it. People who have cars or products that work are going to go about their day, but the ones that have issues will ultimately find an outlet for their review. All this while reviews in general are becoming less and less trustworthy due to bots and whatever else is happening behind the scenes.

walrus01 5y ago

> Video games are another perfect example: fans pre-order AAA titles that studios fail to deliver over and over and over again I literally pre-ordered Anthem, and then apparently having not learned my lesson, did the same with Cyberpunk 2077. Enough said...

sahila 5y ago
The thing about games vs cars is games aren't even supply-constrained; you just download a copy from the store! Even if you buy the physical games, they're almost always available within a few days of release at most. Just not a good idea to preorder games.

jonas21 5y ago

Unlike the Fyre festival or an unfinished video game, Teslas already exist. You can see them driving down the road. Maybe you know someone who owns one and can ask them about it. Even if you don't, there's no shortage of reviews and videos of actual Teslas made by people who don't work for Tesla. By this point, you should know more or less what you're getting if you buy a Tesla, so that demand is presumably based on the actual product and not just the idea.

thr0wawayf00 5y ago
> there's no shortage of reviews and videos of actual Teslas made by people who don't work for Tesla. The whole point of this thread is criticizing a company, Consumer Reports, that does exactly this. The message I responded implied that high demand automatically means a quality product, while Consumer Reports is downgrading Tesla's rating.
heavyset_go 5y ago
Tesla sells plenty of things that don't already exist. Real FSD is one of them, as is the cyber truck and Roadster, and robotaxis.

mym1990 5y ago

It does mean that the quality is acceptable enough to the buyer at that price, and that says a lot.

thr0wawayf00 5y ago
Again, just because people are willing to pay a price for a product that works doesn't automatically mean they're going to get one that does, which is why companies like Consumer Reports exist. They're in the business of ensuring that products that companies put out actually meet the standards they claim.
- mym1990 5y ago
  Which is why reviews are most often skewed towards negativity unless there is a clear incentive to leave it. People who have cars or products that work are going to go about their day, but the ones that have issues will ultimately find an outlet for their review. All this while reviews in general are becoming less and less trustworthy due to bots and whatever else is happening behind the scenes.