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Since you're making broad, sweeping generalizations, I can play. There are 7 people in my social circle who are Tesla owners but not fiercely loyal. They are no

Since you're making broad, sweeping generalizations, I can play. There are 7 people in my social circle who are Tesla owners but not fiercely loyal. They are not rich. And none of them have experienced more than minor issues in their ownership.

kube-system 5y ago
They are "not rich" in only the most privileged of perspectives. Even if we limit that perspective to the US, which is a pretty wealthy country by most measures: the average vehicle on the road in the US was built before Tesla even opened their first assembly plant. The used car market in the US is 2.8x the size of the new car market. Median income buyers struggle to afford new cars of any fuel type or brand. But, call 'em whatever you want. My point was, the demographic who buy new cars which compete in a luxury-priced segment are a demographic who are motivated by the technology of the product rather than value/price/maintenance.
matsemann 5y ago
If you own a Tesla you're almost by definition rich. If everyone in your social circle is driving expensive/new cars, you're all rich. Not to go all "check your privileges", but seriously..
- wumpus 5y ago
  This is where Hacker News is at its best: endless discussions about what the word "rich" means.
- bananabreakfast 5y ago
  A model 3 MSRP is $45k. A used one can be found for even less than that. Check your local car prices, b/c that is not really that expensive and certainly nowhere close to "rich" territory. A fully loaded F-150 is $78k. I would be shocked if you also said anyone driving an F-150 is by definition rich. Also, a cheap used car may be drastically less expensive to buy for most people, but they will ultimately pay thousands of dollars of maintenance, part replacements, fluid changes and gas which a Tesla really never has to deal with, ever. No one seems to talk about this.
  - stonogo 5y ago
    A BMW Gran Coupe 4 is also around $45k. These are luxury goods.
  - danans 5y ago
    > A fully loaded F-150 is $78k. I would be shocked if you also said anyone driving an F-150 is by definition rich Someone driving a fully loaded new one has to be pretty comfortably upper middle class to rich. And also a fully loaded F150 buyer is culturally a different market segment than a Model 3 buyer. There's no real comparison between them.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    Yeah no, sorry, if you can afford a $45k car you must be pretty rich. I know there are places in the world where a $45k car is almost a toy, but that's an extremely narrow and very priviledged perspective.
    - FartyMcFarter 5y ago
      Some people aren't rich but buy pretty expensive cars with a loan. Either because they really like cars, or they're financially irresponsible, or both. I know people like this.
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- ip26 5y ago
  Some trims of Honda Pilot cost more than a Model Y. Or did, anyway. Is Honda a rich man’s car now?
  - gambiting 5y ago
    If you option one so it's as expensive as a Model Y, then yes, absolutely. Honda also makes a Type R civic which is definitely a rich man's toy.
- mym1990 5y ago
  Using someone car ownership as a gauge of possible wealth can be incredibly misleading. Plenty of people go into dealerships and walk out with a wonderful car and debilitating monthly payments.
  - walrus01 5y ago
    this is factually correct and while we're getting off topic it brings up the problem of overloaded consumer debt in the USA in general. I also saw a statistic that something like 45% of Americans couldn't immediately come up with $1000 for an emergency the same day. Just in case we need a benchmark measure of relative wealth and prosperity between the typical six figure FAANG employee and people working jobs that pay a great deal less.
    - snedfree 5y ago
      just 39% could immediately come up with $1k according to this survey from January: https://www.bankrate.com/banking/savings/financial-security-january-2021/ https://www.bankrate.com/banking/savings/financial-security-...
- jerry_cto 5y ago
bumby 5y ago
The real comparison is whether they would’ve experienced complaints with any similar class of new(ish) car. What’s left out of TSLA reliability talk is that they are often compared to the average car, which is much older, has less safety features etc. That’s why consumer reports compares similar class and year

kube-system 5y ago

They are "not rich" in only the most privileged of perspectives. Even if we limit that perspective to the US, which is a pretty wealthy country by most measures: the average vehicle on the road in the US was built before Tesla even opened their first assembly plant. The used car market in the US is 2.8x the size of the new car market. Median income buyers struggle to afford new cars of any fuel type or brand. But, call 'em whatever you want. My point was, the demographic who buy new cars which compete in a luxury-priced segment are a demographic who are motivated by the technology of the product rather than value/price/maintenance.

matsemann 5y ago

If you own a Tesla you're almost by definition rich. If everyone in your social circle is driving expensive/new cars, you're all rich. Not to go all "check your privileges", but seriously..

wumpus 5y ago
This is where Hacker News is at its best: endless discussions about what the word "rich" means.
bananabreakfast 5y ago
A model 3 MSRP is $45k. A used one can be found for even less than that. Check your local car prices, b/c that is not really that expensive and certainly nowhere close to "rich" territory. A fully loaded F-150 is $78k. I would be shocked if you also said anyone driving an F-150 is by definition rich. Also, a cheap used car may be drastically less expensive to buy for most people, but they will ultimately pay thousands of dollars of maintenance, part replacements, fluid changes and gas which a Tesla really never has to deal with, ever. No one seems to talk about this.
- stonogo 5y ago
  A BMW Gran Coupe 4 is also around $45k. These are luxury goods.
- danans 5y ago
  > A fully loaded F-150 is $78k. I would be shocked if you also said anyone driving an F-150 is by definition rich Someone driving a fully loaded new one has to be pretty comfortably upper middle class to rich. And also a fully loaded F150 buyer is culturally a different market segment than a Model 3 buyer. There's no real comparison between them.
- gambiting 5y ago
  Yeah no, sorry, if you can afford a $45k car you must be pretty rich. I know there are places in the world where a $45k car is almost a toy, but that's an extremely narrow and very priviledged perspective.
  - FartyMcFarter 5y ago
    Some people aren't rich but buy pretty expensive cars with a loan. Either because they really like cars, or they're financially irresponsible, or both. I know people like this.
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ip26 5y ago
Some trims of Honda Pilot cost more than a Model Y. Or did, anyway. Is Honda a rich man’s car now?
- gambiting 5y ago
  If you option one so it's as expensive as a Model Y, then yes, absolutely. Honda also makes a Type R civic which is definitely a rich man's toy.
mym1990 5y ago
Using someone car ownership as a gauge of possible wealth can be incredibly misleading. Plenty of people go into dealerships and walk out with a wonderful car and debilitating monthly payments.
- walrus01 5y ago
  this is factually correct and while we're getting off topic it brings up the problem of overloaded consumer debt in the USA in general. I also saw a statistic that something like 45% of Americans couldn't immediately come up with $1000 for an emergency the same day. Just in case we need a benchmark measure of relative wealth and prosperity between the typical six figure FAANG employee and people working jobs that pay a great deal less.
  - snedfree 5y ago
    just 39% could immediately come up with $1k according to this survey from January: https://www.bankrate.com/banking/savings/financial-security-january-2021/ https://www.bankrate.com/banking/savings/financial-security-...
jerry_cto 5y ago

bumby 5y ago

The real comparison is whether they would’ve experienced complaints with any similar class of new(ish) car. What’s left out of TSLA reliability talk is that they are often compared to the average car, which is much older, has less safety features etc. That’s why consumer reports compares similar class and year