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I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. The consumer reports reliability thing just

• toomuchtodo 5y ago
  Have bought several Teslas over the last 3 years (S->X->Y). Quality improves each time I’ve bought one. Lots to complain about, still wouldn’t buy from another manufacturer.
  • HWR_14 5y ago
    If there is a lot to complain about, why wouldn't you want to buy something else?
    • toomuchtodo 5y ago
      Because the alternatives are worse. Bolt EV LG Chem battery recall, Taycan is woefully inadequate for the price point, Ford dealers are adding $10k-$30k “market adjustments” to Mach Es and $5k-$10k for F150 Lightning reservations (which is obnoxious), Teslas have the Supercharger network, frequent over the air updates, a robust battery warranty, strong resale market, etc. My Model S frunk recall appointment with a mobile tech coming to the home to perform took less than three minutes in app to schedule.
      • jonathankoren 5y ago
        That’s funny. I’d buy a Taycan but never a Model S.
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        • nixass 5y ago
          Taycan and Tesla don't even fit to same sentence. Tesla is literally Lada in terms of build qualify comparing to any major car manufacturer.
          • martinesko36 5y ago
            Can you give out some examples here? I saw Tesla’s Model Y in person and the build quality seemed on par if not better than my 3-series.
            • jonathankoren 5y ago
              While I have my doubts with the build quality (initial Model 3s had panel gaps my finger could fit in), my low opinion of Teslas goes far beyond merely their inability to put a sheet a metal on straight, or merely make sure the colors match[0]. The Model S interior is ugly and empty, and the Tesla infotainment system is a joke. Just integrate with CarPlay, and toss that Mickey Mouse crap like off brand maps and streaming services. [0] https://www.thedrive.com/news/22951/new-tesla-model-3-with-mismatched-door-panels-is-a-new-kind-of-bespoke-build https://www.thedrive.com/news/22951/new-tesla-model-3-with-m...
          • kazen44 5y ago
            atleast the 5 centimeter panel gaps on your lada are consistent across the car...
      • FireBeyond 5y ago
        Tesla has bumped the price of their vehicles _at least_ three times this year, in some cases well over $10K in total, so it's not all that much different to "market adjustments". Not sure how a $5K refundable deposit is "obnoxious". Sure, it's less convenient than the Tesla deposit, but it wasn't like that money wasn't earmarked anyway. (And if you're in the market for a $50-75K vehicle and the difference between a couple of hundred and couple of thousand down is a deal breaker for you, you could argue affordability).
        • toomuchtodo 5y ago
          The manufacturer bumping the price due to demand and supply chain issues is one thing, dealers gouging is entirely different (pure profit for adding no value). Musk was entirely right that dealers would be an impediment to EV adoption. https://jalopnik.com/dealers-say-salespeople-still-arent-ready-to-sell-evs-1847940783 https://jalopnik.com/dealers-say-salespeople-still-arent-rea... https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15346108/some-dealerships-dont-really-want-to-sell-you-an-electric-car/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15346108/some-dealerships... https://www.fastcompany.com/90294305/car-companies-put-in-a-lot-of-work-to-not-sell-you-an-electric-car https://www.fastcompany.com/90294305/car-companies-put-in-a-... Edit: @FireBeyond I don’t believe I’ll be able to help with the confusion
          • FireBeyond 5y ago
            And yet, somehow, all the other manufacturers are not bumping the price at wholesale. I'm confused.
          • FireBeyond 5y ago
            How is a manufacturer raising prices due to demand “adding value”, but doing it at the dealership is not?
            • wumpus 5y ago
              Check out the definition of "rent seeking".
      • tacker2000 5y ago
        Check out the Audi etron GT. Its built on the same platform as the Taycan, but much sexier and also cheaper.
      • HWR_14 5y ago
        >Ford dealers are adding $10k-$30k “market adjustments” to Mach Es and $5k-$10k for F150 Lightning reservations (which is obnoxious) The price of Teslas went up by 10k+ this year and Teslas famously have reservation costs, so I don't see how that's different at all. > Teslas have the Supercharger network, frequent over the air updates, a robust battery warranty, strong resale market, etc. This sentence, the propoints, seem important and barely added as an afterthought. Given that Tesla has been starting to open up its supercharger network, does that change your view of its value? You consider frequent over the air updates to be a benefit. Can I ask why? It seems like you're at the mercy of Tesla's software QA department for each update to make sure it doesn't decide to crash stop and or accelerated into traffic. Meanwhile, I'm not really aware of what benefits you're getting from those updates.
    • rconti 5y ago
      Because there are lots of things the Tesla does that nothing else does in the same way, or the overall package of other vehicles (price, features, functionality, intangibles, whatever) doesn't match for that particular buyer. I'm constantly amazed that otherwise intelligent people latch on to a single "factual" reason that proves they must be correct about a matter of opinion, particularly when their experience set is often objectively less relevant. To wit: presumably the parent has owned numerous other cars in addition to the Teslas.
  • ghaff 5y ago
    And some of us buy cars and keep them for over 10 years. Which isn't rare behavior.
    • wumpus 5y ago
      My 2013 Model S is doing great. I had all of the usual first-year-car problems, since then it's been fine. No fit-and-finish problems, no rattles, paint doing well, and so on.
      • ghaff 5y ago
        TBH, I'm not sure what those "usual first-year-car problems" are these days. That hasn't been my experience though that's admittedly a small sample size.
        • wumpus 5y ago
          I meant the first year Model S was built. Plenty of people advise not buying the first year of any new model from any carmaker, because there are usually more problems than usual. Refreshes are safer.
  • walrus01 5y ago
    If you have the financial resources to buy 3 teslas sequentially (S->X->Y) you are in the probably top 1-2% of income per year globally.
    • toomuchtodo 5y ago
      The intent was to demonstrate Tesla’s build quality rapidly improving over a short window of time. My apologies if it came across otherwise.
• thr0wawayf00 5y ago
  > I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. High demand doesn't mean the product is quality. Fyre festival sold thousands of tickets, even though it was fundamentally fraudulent. Video games are another perfect example: fans pre-order AAA titles that studios fail to deliver over and over and over again. Demand just means that people like the idea of it, not that the product actually delivers on its stated promises.
  • walrus01 5y ago
    > Video games are another perfect example: fans pre-order AAA titles that studios fail to deliver over and over and over again I literally pre-ordered Anthem, and then apparently having not learned my lesson, did the same with Cyberpunk 2077. Enough said...
    • sahila 5y ago
      The thing about games vs cars is games aren't even supply-constrained; you just download a copy from the store! Even if you buy the physical games, they're almost always available within a few days of release at most. Just not a good idea to preorder games.
  • jonas21 5y ago
    Unlike the Fyre festival or an unfinished video game, Teslas already exist. You can see them driving down the road. Maybe you know someone who owns one and can ask them about it. Even if you don't, there's no shortage of reviews and videos of actual Teslas made by people who don't work for Tesla. By this point, you should know more or less what you're getting if you buy a Tesla, so that demand is presumably based on the actual product and not just the idea.
    • thr0wawayf00 5y ago
      > there's no shortage of reviews and videos of actual Teslas made by people who don't work for Tesla. The whole point of this thread is criticizing a company, Consumer Reports, that does exactly this. The message I responded implied that high demand automatically means a quality product, while Consumer Reports is downgrading Tesla's rating.
• oogali 5y ago
  There's nothing to put a finger on and no meme rebuttal needed, because both statements can be true. Tesla can score poorly in 3rd party consumer testing and that might be a valuable data point to those who care or value their testing. And a number of people who really want a Tesla can also be people who have never heard of Consumer Reports nor value its testing. At current domestic capacity levels, you [only] need 500K people from category #2 ahead of your order to produce the observed lead times.
• bumby 5y ago
  >The consumer reports reliability thing just seems like a meme at this point that doesn’t ring true for most people either in importance or reality. It’s based on, well…consumer reports of reliability issues so it seems like it’s quite literally based on (perceived) reality.
• JohnJamesRambo 5y ago
  I haven't had a single problem with my Tesla (2021 Model 3) so this seems odd and was surprising to me. I know that is a sample size of one but I would expect some issue.
  • rsynnott 5y ago
    I mean, I doubt any car model is so bad that you’d expect defects in _all_ units. If all units were noticeably defective, they’d have gone bust under the repair load.
  • YZF 5y ago
    I had one issue with my 2019 model 3. The charge port door would sometimes not open. Tesla service came to my house and replaced it, under warranty. Now what other car manufacturer does that? Sample size of one Tesla vs. one Subaru Outback, both bought new, I'll take the Tesla any day. The Outback had a chronic issue with the cable going to the rear door which had a ton of electronics in it. I had to repair it multiple times. Head gasket failures. Then the engine died and I had to replace it as well. It also had a few "recalls". Recalls, sometimes massive ones, are not that uncommon for all brands.
• expendablemtrst 5y ago
  It's not wrong. It's just that car buying is as much emotional decision making as it is rational. I buy and ride motorcyles. I drive a car as well. By almost every measurable metric, the car is superior. Better braking, better turn speeds, better inclement weather handling, better protection against the elements, better cargo capacity, and I'm far better off in a car during a crash. I still like bikes better. In part because there's a thrill in doing something needlessly stupid and dangerous; there's a joy in knowing that you're one just a single tiny mistake away from being killed or worse. When you're seeing the grey blur of pavement half an inch away from your elbows and knees, or the blur of a stone wall promising to quite literally rip your arm off at the shoulder if you dare get any closer. There is nothing else like it in the world. You can't exactly put something like that in a spec sheet or mark it as a KPI though. For many Tesla owners there probably are dozens of defects and problems, but all of them you're willing to ignore because of an intangible affection. It doesn't make them wrong, it just means that their priorities are different then someone that might care more for something else.