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It doesn't seem like the rear view camera problem is that much of a safety issue, thoughts? The front trunk flying open while driving seems highly undesirable
by etaioinshrdlu 5y ago
It doesn't seem like the rear view camera problem is that much of a safety issue, thoughts?
The front trunk flying open while driving seems highly undesirable though.
- chrisseaton 5y agoMandatory safety feature not working not a safety issue? How do you work that one out?
- matthewdgreen 5y agoThe recall is not specifically for vehicles with broken backup cameras. It is to deal with cars that have working cameras, but contain a flaw wherein closing the trunk could damage the cable and cause the backup camera to cease working. So TL;DR this should be fixed ASAP (hence the recall) but presumably those cars with currently-working cameras are perfectly safe to drive until then. The Model S hood issue, on the other hand, that’s more serious.
- cududa 5y agoOkay so let’s say someone is at the grocery store, loads up the trunk, while doing so breaks the cable. Tries to backup without the camera/ obscured field of view inherent to the vehicle, hits someone. I get most auto manufacturers calculate risk of death versus recall value, but Tesla doesn’t really have the cash on hand to survive that, and the stock would get obliterated. Why chastise them for being proactive?
- hunterb123 5y agoYeah usually when my camera goes out I just say screw it and back up without looking. Just because it's a safety feature doesn't make it now the operators fault.
- matthewdgreen 5y ago>Why chastise them for being proactive? Who is chastising whom? As an M3 owner I'm thrilled they're being proactive with this recall. I'm also thrilled that this issue is minor and any failure is easily detected. My camera is working fine, and as long as it continues to work fine I'm not at (extra) risk of hitting anyone. Compare this to a critical safety issue like a malfunctioning accelerator cable or a defective hood-latch -- those are things that could pop up at any moment without any warning and kill people. My point above is that safety-critical recalls exist on a spectrum, and this one is about as benign as you get. Whereas the Model S frunk issue is not benign at all.
- dmonitor 5y agofederal regulation requires backup cameras on new vehicles, so that breaking likely to break would be probably be considered a decent sized problem
- m-ee 5y agoRear view cameras are a required safety feature in the US now. As SUVs proliferated and pillars got thicker for crash safety cases of parents running over their toddlers increased.
- coryrc 5y ago
- ralph84 5y agoThose spaces exist but in general people with kids don't want to live there.
- karatinversion 5y agoThose generally aren’t the places where the SUVs are being reversed.
- xiphias2 5y agoYou’re right, but it can still be fixed after the problem happens
- walrus01 5y agoas predicted in the early 1990s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI_Jl5WFQkA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI_Jl5WFQkA
- darepublic 5y agoPretty sure this is from s8 or higher so more like late nineties? Probably more a parody of trends already existing
- rconti 5y agoNot just SUVs. The visibility out of the rear of my Model 3 is almost as bad as the rear of my BMW X5 SUV. The trunk is so high, you cannot see the headlights of a following passenger car until it's some distance behind. It's not just Tesla, visibility across all cars is getting worse over time, as manufacturers are pushed by crash test standards to improve performance in a crash against another vehicle or stationary object, to the detriment of the ability to avoid a crash (visibility, weight/handling, etc), and at the cost of humans and animals NOT in a big heavy motorized box.
- kube-system 5y agoThe rearview camera is a big issue because it is a requirement under Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards.
- ghaff 5y agoYes. It's a safety issue. But there are also at least tens of millions of cars on the road without backup cameras.
- alamortsubite 5y agoLack of rear visibility without a camera is a much more of an issue on newer cars; older cars, which make up the bulk of those "tens of millions", don't have such a serious problem.
- ghaff 5y agoThat's fair. Even when I shopped for a car over a decade ago, it felt like some of the electronic safety systems were making up for lack of the sort of sightlines you had historically. One of the reasons I ended up going with a pretty old-school SUV design even though I didn't have much of an interest in most of the off-road features. Would probably buy the same vehicle today even though it hasn't been updated a lot.
- alamortsubite 5y agoYes, and of course there are exceptions. I bought a new Toyota 20 years ago that probably had worse rearward visibility than some of the Teslas that are being recalled.
- kube-system 5y agoI'm not (directly) saying it's a safety issue, I'm saying it's a compliance issue. It is clear that it needs fixed because it's clear that this function is required by law.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoI had a hood come open on a car I was driving once. It was definitely some scary shit. Luckily, I was on a long, straight road, and was able to decelerate in a controlled way and pull off the side of the road.
- dboreham 5y agoBritish vehicle?
- HeyLaughingBoy 5y agoIs common on British cars? The only other time I've known it to happen was on a family friend's MG a long time ago
- antattack 5y agoTesla's have limited rear-view visibility due to aerodynamic shape. Not a big problem, but once you get used to backing out while looking at HD screen, lack of it is quite a hindrance.
- bfung 5y agoYep - that’s the first thing I noticed/get used to w/my Tesla Y: rear view mirror looking out back windshield is basically useless and camera is basically necessary while backing up.
- twblalock 5y agoThe Model Y would be pretty much undrivable without a camera. The Model 3 is also pretty bad about rear visibility, but the lack of visibility out the back of the Model Y is shocking.