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This is false. The current vaccine still makes one about 60x less likely to die of covid than being unvaccinated. It's ineffective at preventing infection to om

This is false. The current vaccine still makes one about 60x less likely to die of covid than being unvaccinated. It's ineffective at preventing infection to omicron, but highly effective at preventing death.

HarryHirsch 5y ago
I read that the risk of death is reduced about tenfold, and meanwhile you are still infectious. Not a risk I am willing to take. Why are non-pharmaceutical interventions downplayed? Where are the promised paid sick days?
- 13415 5y ago
  I'm not sure I understand you correctly. You do not want to take a vaccine that provides a tenfold reduction of the risk of dying from the Omicron variant? Or are you arguing that vaccinations with the existing vaccines should continue until better vaccines are available, in combination with other measures such as lockdowns, mask wearing, mandatory testing and quarantine, etc. If it's the latter, that's what most countries are doing right now. If it's the former, then I don't understand your position.
  - HarryHirsch 5y ago
    What I'm saying is that current vaccines are quite ineffectual against the present strain of the virus, and that NPI's, such as masking, social distancing, testing and quarantine are effective but not used. Having schools open in an active phase of the pandemic is the exact opposite of what should be done, that's how the virus spreads between households. Under the Orange Menace we had financial support for those who lost their jobs and loans for businesses that lost customers whereas the present administration fails to deliver at every front. They can't even do the promised paid sick leave. That's what would be needed now, instead we get shortened quarantine periods. You can't even get a quicktest if you wanted to.
    - 13415 5y ago
      Thanks for clarifying, I was genuinely interested in what your view is. As others have pointed out, current vaccines seem to be somewhat effective against hospitalization and highly effective at preventing death by the Omicron variant. It's important to be aware that from a personal risk point of view it is better to get a booster now than wait for a booster with an adjusted, improved vaccine against Omicron, and I mistook you to suggest otherwise. AFAIK, it will take several months at least until adapted vaccines will be widely available. I see the other problems you mention in the US, though. It's a shame, there should definitely be paid sick leave and quicktests everywhere.
logic_beats_pro 5y ago

HarryHirsch 5y ago

I read that the risk of death is reduced about tenfold, and meanwhile you are still infectious. Not a risk I am willing to take. Why are non-pharmaceutical interventions downplayed? Where are the promised paid sick days?

13415 5y ago
I'm not sure I understand you correctly. You do not want to take a vaccine that provides a tenfold reduction of the risk of dying from the Omicron variant? Or are you arguing that vaccinations with the existing vaccines should continue until better vaccines are available, in combination with other measures such as lockdowns, mask wearing, mandatory testing and quarantine, etc. If it's the latter, that's what most countries are doing right now. If it's the former, then I don't understand your position.
- HarryHirsch 5y ago
  What I'm saying is that current vaccines are quite ineffectual against the present strain of the virus, and that NPI's, such as masking, social distancing, testing and quarantine are effective but not used. Having schools open in an active phase of the pandemic is the exact opposite of what should be done, that's how the virus spreads between households. Under the Orange Menace we had financial support for those who lost their jobs and loans for businesses that lost customers whereas the present administration fails to deliver at every front. They can't even do the promised paid sick leave. That's what would be needed now, instead we get shortened quarantine periods. You can't even get a quicktest if you wanted to.
  - 13415 5y ago
    Thanks for clarifying, I was genuinely interested in what your view is. As others have pointed out, current vaccines seem to be somewhat effective against hospitalization and highly effective at preventing death by the Omicron variant. It's important to be aware that from a personal risk point of view it is better to get a booster now than wait for a booster with an adjusted, improved vaccine against Omicron, and I mistook you to suggest otherwise. AFAIK, it will take several months at least until adapted vaccines will be widely available. I see the other problems you mention in the US, though. It's a shame, there should definitely be paid sick leave and quicktests everywhere.

logic_beats_pro 5y ago