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And the teachers. I know 2 teachers that are terrified that the kids will get them Covid-19, since they already get sick from the petri dishes that are children

And the teachers. I know 2 teachers that are terrified that the kids will get them Covid-19, since they already get sick from the petri dishes that are children.

throwawayboise 5y ago
Are they not vaccinated? Do they not trust that the vaccine works, at least as far as preventing serious illness?
- magicalhippo 5y ago
  Here in Norway the vaccine rollout for non-critical people followed just age brackets. So I, a programmer with zero issues working from home, got the vaccine weeks before tons of younger teachers, who had to go to class each day and meet kids which could potentially infect them. I guess it would be complicated if they had to start introducing multiple levels, or some sort of "you can have my seat" functionality, still...
  - phamilton 5y ago
    In most US states teachers were prioritized along with firefighters, health workers, etc.
    - ghaff 5y ago
      At least my state had a variety of non-age-related (self-reported) criteria for phases of eligibility including occupational and various health conditions.
- NikolaeVarius 5y ago
  Yes they are. At least one of them has their health compromised and breakthrough cases have been a thing since day 1. Also, they work with a LOT of kids, so that alot more chances for exposure. They are not dumb.
- HarryHirsch 5y ago
  - criley2 5y ago
    This is false. The current vaccine still makes one about 60x less likely to die of covid than being unvaccinated. It's ineffective at preventing infection to omicron, but highly effective at preventing death.
    - HarryHirsch 5y ago
      I read that the risk of death is reduced about tenfold, and meanwhile you are still infectious. Not a risk I am willing to take. Why are non-pharmaceutical interventions downplayed? Where are the promised paid sick days?
      - 13415 5y ago
        I'm not sure I understand you correctly. You do not want to take a vaccine that provides a tenfold reduction of the risk of dying from the Omicron variant? Or are you arguing that vaccinations with the existing vaccines should continue until better vaccines are available, in combination with other measures such as lockdowns, mask wearing, mandatory testing and quarantine, etc. If it's the latter, that's what most countries are doing right now. If it's the former, then I don't understand your position.
        HarryHirsch 5y ago
        What I'm saying is that current vaccines are quite ineffectual against the present strain of the virus, and that NPI's, such as masking, social distancing, testing and quarantine are effective but not used. Having schools open in an active phase of the pandemic is the exact opposite of what should be done, that's how the virus spreads between households. Under the Orange Menace we had financial support for those who lost their jobs and loans for businesses that lost customers whereas the present administration fails to deliver at every front. They can't even do the promised paid sick leave. That's what would be needed now, instead we get shortened quarantine periods. You can't even get a quicktest if you wanted to.
throwaway_52828 5y ago
If the teachers are vaxxed and boosted, COVID is less threatening than the flu. And if they aren’t, it seems like they don’t have grounds to complain. The only way this worry makes sense is if the teachers live with somebody who is highly immunocompromised. Which would indeed suck, but it’s crazy to design societal policy around those dangers.
- dv_dt 5y ago
  Is less threatening for the single short outlook of being hospitalized. We still do not know the long term effects of Covid across a large population and it seems our governments have given up in favor of continued service in the economy.
  - hadlock 5y ago
    Yep this is important; Polio presented a lot like the flu, it wasn't until years or decades later that symptoms showed up. They didn't call it "long polio" though, they called it "post-polio syndrome". Famous author of 2001: A Space Odyssey Arthur C. Clarke ended up in a wheelchair decades due to post-polio syndrome after he contracted polio
  - coryrc 5y ago
    What are you proposing otherwise? This: https://news.yahoo.com/remote-learning-led-to-catastrophic-learning-loss-new-study-finds-143532040.html https://news.yahoo.com/remote-learning-led-to-catastrophic-l... Catastrophic learning loss. Any parents who can't afford nannies and won't die without working have had one leave the workforce. The ones who would die have just abandoned their kids. What I would propose is movement away from nuclear family to more communal living and extended family, but I just see oblivious people push remote learning like it actually solves the problem for most.
    - dv_dt 5y ago
      It seems the the conclusion that remote learning causes learning loss is very premature and not differentable from a lot of other factors that occurred simultaneously. Massive job losses, or incredible stresses on parents and family units, learning curve on remot resources, not a full year with massive educational environment changes, alternate standard testing regeimes, etc. That conclusion does however support a push for a return to work economic policy.

And the teachers. I know 2 teachers that are terrified that the kids will get them Covid-19, since they already get sick from the petri dishes that are children.

throwawayboise 5y ago

Are they not vaccinated? Do they not trust that the vaccine works, at least as far as preventing serious illness?

magicalhippo 5y ago
Here in Norway the vaccine rollout for non-critical people followed just age brackets. So I, a programmer with zero issues working from home, got the vaccine weeks before tons of younger teachers, who had to go to class each day and meet kids which could potentially infect them. I guess it would be complicated if they had to start introducing multiple levels, or some sort of "you can have my seat" functionality, still...
- phamilton 5y ago
  In most US states teachers were prioritized along with firefighters, health workers, etc.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    At least my state had a variety of non-age-related (self-reported) criteria for phases of eligibility including occupational and various health conditions.
NikolaeVarius 5y ago
Yes they are. At least one of them has their health compromised and breakthrough cases have been a thing since day 1. Also, they work with a LOT of kids, so that alot more chances for exposure. They are not dumb.
HarryHirsch 5y ago
- criley2 5y ago
  This is false. The current vaccine still makes one about 60x less likely to die of covid than being unvaccinated. It's ineffective at preventing infection to omicron, but highly effective at preventing death.
  - HarryHirsch 5y ago
    I read that the risk of death is reduced about tenfold, and meanwhile you are still infectious. Not a risk I am willing to take. Why are non-pharmaceutical interventions downplayed? Where are the promised paid sick days?
    - 13415 5y ago
      I'm not sure I understand you correctly. You do not want to take a vaccine that provides a tenfold reduction of the risk of dying from the Omicron variant? Or are you arguing that vaccinations with the existing vaccines should continue until better vaccines are available, in combination with other measures such as lockdowns, mask wearing, mandatory testing and quarantine, etc. If it's the latter, that's what most countries are doing right now. If it's the former, then I don't understand your position.
      - HarryHirsch 5y ago
        What I'm saying is that current vaccines are quite ineffectual against the present strain of the virus, and that NPI's, such as masking, social distancing, testing and quarantine are effective but not used. Having schools open in an active phase of the pandemic is the exact opposite of what should be done, that's how the virus spreads between households. Under the Orange Menace we had financial support for those who lost their jobs and loans for businesses that lost customers whereas the present administration fails to deliver at every front. They can't even do the promised paid sick leave. That's what would be needed now, instead we get shortened quarantine periods. You can't even get a quicktest if you wanted to.

throwaway_52828 5y ago

If the teachers are vaxxed and boosted, COVID is less threatening than the flu. And if they aren’t, it seems like they don’t have grounds to complain. The only way this worry makes sense is if the teachers live with somebody who is highly immunocompromised. Which would indeed suck, but it’s crazy to design societal policy around those dangers.

dv_dt 5y ago
Is less threatening for the single short outlook of being hospitalized. We still do not know the long term effects of Covid across a large population and it seems our governments have given up in favor of continued service in the economy.
- hadlock 5y ago
  Yep this is important; Polio presented a lot like the flu, it wasn't until years or decades later that symptoms showed up. They didn't call it "long polio" though, they called it "post-polio syndrome". Famous author of 2001: A Space Odyssey Arthur C. Clarke ended up in a wheelchair decades due to post-polio syndrome after he contracted polio
- coryrc 5y ago
  What are you proposing otherwise? This: https://news.yahoo.com/remote-learning-led-to-catastrophic-learning-loss-new-study-finds-143532040.html https://news.yahoo.com/remote-learning-led-to-catastrophic-l... Catastrophic learning loss. Any parents who can't afford nannies and won't die without working have had one leave the workforce. The ones who would die have just abandoned their kids. What I would propose is movement away from nuclear family to more communal living and extended family, but I just see oblivious people push remote learning like it actually solves the problem for most.
  - dv_dt 5y ago
    It seems the the conclusion that remote learning causes learning loss is very premature and not differentable from a lot of other factors that occurred simultaneously. Massive job losses, or incredible stresses on parents and family units, learning curve on remot resources, not a full year with massive educational environment changes, alternate standard testing regeimes, etc. That conclusion does however support a push for a return to work economic policy.