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The statement is made by the prosecutor though. They could be saying the truth. It is a very biased person’s word to go off though.

ModernMech 5y ago
What statement? You mean they could have been lying about the plea deal?
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  If I recall the prosecutor’s future political ambitions got derailed because of this. That makes it even more likely to not believe anything they are saying without more to go on. So yes. Not just the plea deal and not just this case. In any situation, if the only evidence of something is the word of the state prosecutor, that only means so much.
mcguire 5y ago
"The prosecutor, Stephen Heymann, told Swartz’s lawyer, Elliot Peters, that if Swartz pleaded guilty to all counts he would spend six months in jail; if he lost at trial, it would be much worse." The prosecutor made the offer of a 6-month plea deal to Swartz's lawyer. Who presumably discussed it with Swartz, who seems to have decided not to accept it. Possibly, if you accept the analysis above, on the advice of his lawyer.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  The New Yorker doesn’t link to a citation. Rolling Stones does. Which links to a statement by lead prosecutor, Ortiz. Heymann was the assistant prosecutor. My point was how do we know this is an “analysis”. Based off Rolling Stones, this is just the prosecutors words.
  - mcguire 5y ago
    https://www.boston.com/uncategorized/noprimarytagmatch/2013/01/14/mit-hacking-case-lawyer-says-aaron-swartz-was-offered-plea-deal-of-six-months-behind-bars/ https://www.boston.com/uncategorized/noprimarytagmatch/2013/... How about semi-straight from the horse's mouth? Was his defense attorney working with prosecutors to minimize the threats? Is the Boston Globe in on it? (Conspiracy theories are so much fun! Ever read Foucault's Pendulum?)
    - skinnymuch 5y ago
      What is the relevance of conspiracy theories here? Boston Globe in on what? Not sure what minimizing the threat means. Boston Globe link wasn’t here before. Now it is. It changes things. Seems straight forward to me.

ModernMech 5y ago

What statement? You mean they could have been lying about the plea deal?

skinnymuch 5y ago
If I recall the prosecutor’s future political ambitions got derailed because of this. That makes it even more likely to not believe anything they are saying without more to go on. So yes. Not just the plea deal and not just this case. In any situation, if the only evidence of something is the word of the state prosecutor, that only means so much.

mcguire 5y ago

"The prosecutor, Stephen Heymann, told Swartz’s lawyer, Elliot Peters, that if Swartz pleaded guilty to all counts he would spend six months in jail; if he lost at trial, it would be much worse." The prosecutor made the offer of a 6-month plea deal to Swartz's lawyer. Who presumably discussed it with Swartz, who seems to have decided not to accept it. Possibly, if you accept the analysis above, on the advice of his lawyer.

skinnymuch 5y ago
The New Yorker doesn’t link to a citation. Rolling Stones does. Which links to a statement by lead prosecutor, Ortiz. Heymann was the assistant prosecutor. My point was how do we know this is an “analysis”. Based off Rolling Stones, this is just the prosecutors words.
- mcguire 5y ago
  https://www.boston.com/uncategorized/noprimarytagmatch/2013/01/14/mit-hacking-case-lawyer-says-aaron-swartz-was-offered-plea-deal-of-six-months-behind-bars/ https://www.boston.com/uncategorized/noprimarytagmatch/2013/... How about semi-straight from the horse's mouth? Was his defense attorney working with prosecutors to minimize the threats? Is the Boston Globe in on it? (Conspiracy theories are so much fun! Ever read Foucault's Pendulum?)
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    What is the relevance of conspiracy theories here? Boston Globe in on what? Not sure what minimizing the threat means. Boston Globe link wasn’t here before. Now it is. It changes things. Seems straight forward to me.