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> It is very misleading to imply that only old people suffer from that as there are countless stories of “I have a 35 yold friend with no pre-existing condition

by rkk3 5y ago

> It is very misleading to imply that only old people suffer from that as there are countless stories of “I have a 35 yold friend with no pre-existing conditions who’s fighting for their lives” Those stories are breathlessly reported on because they are rare, 2.4% of Covid Deaths in the US are people under the age of 40[1] which is 50% of the US population, it's harder to find data but most of them had whom had other issues or were not direct covid deaths. Covid Risk goes up orders of magnitude by age [2]. [11 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investi...

s1artibartfast 5y ago
Furthermore, that 2.4% is composed nearly entirely of unvaccinated individuals (~99%). Chance of death or hospitalization from covid is exceedingly small for vaccinated individuals <40. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-s...
vlovich123 5y ago
Nowhere am I saying that failure to get a vaccine puts you at risk of death. I'm saying they get hospitalized [1]. 60-69 yolds had ~2k hospitalizations last week 50-59 yolds had 1.5k hospitalizations last week 40-49 yolds had 1k hospitalizations last week 30-39 yolds had ~1k hospitalizations last week Thus we see each age range has roughly the same number of hospitalizations. Not sure how this correlates on a per capita basis although in this case it doesn't really matter since the healthcare system is a shared resource. Why are hospitalizations important? At this point, you dying or having complications from a failure to vaccinate is thankfully mostly your own problem since vaccinations are supremely effective at preventing this regardless of the COVID strain from the looks of it. Overwhelming the medical system and placing an undue burden on it because of refusal to vaccinate is why we're still facing lockdowns due to spikes of variants. Hopefully with the new treatment pill and evolutionary direction Omicron is taking means we're on our way out of the pandemic. Again, focusing on the mortality when a massive problem is overwhelming our shortstaffed medical system is myopic. 25% of hospitalizations result in an ICU visit [2]. > Patients who were hospitalized more recently with COVID-19 (April to June 2021) were younger (median age of 59 compared with 68) and experienced lower in-hospital death rates (10% compared with 18%) than those who were hospitalized between January 2020 and March 2021. This indicates the old people are smartly getting vaccinated or dying off. But again, deaths is not the primary problem the unvaccinated have at this point. Primarily they form a reservoir for the virus to mutate and put burden the health care system. [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admis... [2] https://www.cihi.ca/en/covid-19-hospitalization-and-emergency-department-statistics https://www.cihi.ca/en/covid-19-hospitalization-and-emergenc...
- rkk3 5y ago
  The fact is that young people are at very low-risk for covid. If you want to bring vaccine status into it, you get way more ROI vaccinating older groups. We've seen Hospitalizations per capita have go from 5 per 100k/day in Jan 2021 to 3 per 100k a day in December 2021[1] because of lower hospitalization rate's in older groups, not from lower rates in younger groups. Hospitalization is also not that clean of a comparison, since a 35yr old who is discharged after a day is taxing the system way less than someone there for a month. 32% of people 25-39 [2] aren't fully vaccinated, sure it would help some if they were but if you really wanted to solve the problem you'd address the large % of older groups that aren't vaccinated and are contributing to the majority of deaths & strain on the health system. 28% of people 40-49 21% of people 50-64 10% of people 65-74 15% of people 75+ [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admis... [2] https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-trac...

by rkk3 5y ago

s1artibartfast 5y ago

Furthermore, that 2.4% is composed nearly entirely of unvaccinated individuals (~99%). Chance of death or hospitalization from covid is exceedingly small for vaccinated individuals <40. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-s...

vlovich123 5y ago

Nowhere am I saying that failure to get a vaccine puts you at risk of death. I'm saying they get hospitalized [1]. 60-69 yolds had ~2k hospitalizations last week 50-59 yolds had 1.5k hospitalizations last week 40-49 yolds had 1k hospitalizations last week 30-39 yolds had ~1k hospitalizations last week Thus we see each age range has roughly the same number of hospitalizations. Not sure how this correlates on a per capita basis although in this case it doesn't really matter since the healthcare system is a shared resource. Why are hospitalizations important? At this point, you dying or having complications from a failure to vaccinate is thankfully mostly your own problem since vaccinations are supremely effective at preventing this regardless of the COVID strain from the looks of it. Overwhelming the medical system and placing an undue burden on it because of refusal to vaccinate is why we're still facing lockdowns due to spikes of variants. Hopefully with the new treatment pill and evolutionary direction Omicron is taking means we're on our way out of the pandemic. Again, focusing on the mortality when a massive problem is overwhelming our shortstaffed medical system is myopic. 25% of hospitalizations result in an ICU visit [2]. > Patients who were hospitalized more recently with COVID-19 (April to June 2021) were younger (median age of 59 compared with 68) and experienced lower in-hospital death rates (10% compared with 18%) than those who were hospitalized between January 2020 and March 2021. This indicates the old people are smartly getting vaccinated or dying off. But again, deaths is not the primary problem the unvaccinated have at this point. Primarily they form a reservoir for the virus to mutate and put burden the health care system. [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admis... [2] https://www.cihi.ca/en/covid-19-hospitalization-and-emergency-department-statistics https://www.cihi.ca/en/covid-19-hospitalization-and-emergenc...

rkk3 5y ago
The fact is that young people are at very low-risk for covid. If you want to bring vaccine status into it, you get way more ROI vaccinating older groups. We've seen Hospitalizations per capita have go from 5 per 100k/day in Jan 2021 to 3 per 100k a day in December 2021[1] because of lower hospitalization rate's in older groups, not from lower rates in younger groups. Hospitalization is also not that clean of a comparison, since a 35yr old who is discharged after a day is taxing the system way less than someone there for a month. 32% of people 25-39 [2] aren't fully vaccinated, sure it would help some if they were but if you really wanted to solve the problem you'd address the large % of older groups that aren't vaccinated and are contributing to the majority of deaths & strain on the health system. 28% of people 40-49 21% of people 50-64 10% of people 65-74 15% of people 75+ [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admis... [2] https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-trac...