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How much is "to a certain extent"? Has this been quantified? Because I recall Fauci saying it "100%" prevent hospitalizations and it turns out it was far, far

• bakuninsbart 5y ago
  Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are • 3 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds. • 12 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds. Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are • 4 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds. • 18 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds. Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are • 7 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds. • 13 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ yearolds. • 15 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds. https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/...
  • desine 5y ago
    When everything is multiplied by a fraction of a percent, the result is a bunch of small magnitudes overall. Like 12 times more likely to be hospitalized than fully vaccinated 12-34 year olds? What the latter's rate of hospitalization? Near 0, I assume? This is all just weaponized statistics to generate fear. Or at least, vaccine sales.
    • bakuninsbart 5y ago
      I honestly don't have the strength for this discussion anymore, but it does make a pretty signifcant difference between seeing two thirty-somethings struggling for their lives vs. 20. I don't care about people like you anymore, I just want to protect the people that are actually important to me, which includes multiple people having to work in the ICU, and multiple people who might die if hospital capacities are full.
      • desine 5y ago
        I've lost close friends and family to preventable circumstances, it hurt. I however did not try to justify imposing changes to people's behavior, autonomy, or freedom.
        • bakuninsbart 5y ago
          I'm against vaccine mandates and don't think the state should have the ability to impose so much on bodily autonomy, especially given that these booster shots might become a semi-regular thing for a couple of years. At the same time, I generally don't want to associate with unvaccinated people, and am happy that my employer has the same view. I'm not obligated to treat people with respect that they don't deserve, and I think it is heartbreaking - but important - that hospital staff are doing their best to treat everyone the same despite the obvious negligence on the side of the unvaccinated. Autonomy is cool as long as you do not need to rely on others.
    • TigeriusKirk 5y ago
      Looking at the linked document, the hospitalization rate for fully vaccinated 12-34 year olds is 2.5 per 100,000. For unvaccinated it's 30.4 per 100,000. For 35-64 it's 8.2 vs 148.8 per 100,000. For 65+ it's 29.2 vs 382.9 per 100,000.
  • usaphp 5y ago
    Interesting that they grouped together 12-34 and 34-64 age groups for death statistics table, noting that "For tables showing hospitalizations by vaccination status and deaths by vaccination status, age groups are collapsed to protect privacy" Does it mean that number of deaths throughout the year in 12-34 age group is so low that you can guess who is who?
  • swayvil 5y ago
    He tells you that he distrusts a popular authority, so you cite a popular authority.
    • eli_gottlieb 5y ago
      Actual studies are a very different thing from the government's TV doctor.
      • swayvil 5y ago
        You are telling us that your authority is a better authority.