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> Whose rights are greater? No one's "rights are greater." This is a false dichotomy. Does the government have a right to force people to take the flu shot? No

> Whose rights are greater? No one's "rights are greater." This is a false dichotomy. Does the government have a right to force people to take the flu shot? No. If a flu came along that was so deadly that the government wanted to force people to get the flu shot, then the government would need to prove the necessity and the spread-prevention efficacy of that medical procedure.

ZoomerCretin 5y ago
>Does the government have a right to force people to take the flu shot? No. If you're talking about the United States, this question has been settled at the federal level by the Supreme Court for over a century. At the state level, the first vaccine mandate was in 1809. Most states have vaccine mandates for children, many of them with only medical exemptions. It's legal. It's not some great infringement on your rights.
- peteradio 5y ago
  > It's not some great infringement on your rights. The fact that the treatment varies state by state shows that people do consider this to be a right worth retaining, and in high enough populations to hold sway over local Government up to the state level.
  - ZoomerCretin 5y ago
    >The fact that the treatment varies state by state shows that people do consider this to be a right worth retaining Yes, we live in an age of mass-indoctrination. If Fox News runs Anti-Food Safety segments 24/7 for months, we're probably going to have a few states that remove punishment/fines/laws for people who prepare food with shit on their hands. That doesn't mean that serving food with shit in it is an inalienable right.
    - shukantpal 5y ago
      Ironic
    - peteradio 5y ago
      More likely you end up with farmers who can sell milk according to the buyers desires.
- rsj_hn 5y ago
  > this question has been settled at the federal level by the Supreme Court for over a century. Right, the Federal government does not have the right to force the public to take a shot, while states may. It may appear that public health is being run at the national level, but really the CDC issues recommendations and many states ignore these recommendations and replace them with their own. Public health is run by the states, but that doesn't mean the state can do whatever it wants. Each state has its own constitution, and its own state supreme court that verifies whether any mandate is lawful, so this is going to depend on the state constitution and local public health laws.

ZoomerCretin 5y ago

>Does the government have a right to force people to take the flu shot? No. If you're talking about the United States, this question has been settled at the federal level by the Supreme Court for over a century. At the state level, the first vaccine mandate was in 1809. Most states have vaccine mandates for children, many of them with only medical exemptions. It's legal. It's not some great infringement on your rights.

peteradio 5y ago
> It's not some great infringement on your rights. The fact that the treatment varies state by state shows that people do consider this to be a right worth retaining, and in high enough populations to hold sway over local Government up to the state level.
- ZoomerCretin 5y ago
  >The fact that the treatment varies state by state shows that people do consider this to be a right worth retaining Yes, we live in an age of mass-indoctrination. If Fox News runs Anti-Food Safety segments 24/7 for months, we're probably going to have a few states that remove punishment/fines/laws for people who prepare food with shit on their hands. That doesn't mean that serving food with shit in it is an inalienable right.
  - shukantpal 5y ago
    Ironic
  - peteradio 5y ago
    More likely you end up with farmers who can sell milk according to the buyers desires.
rsj_hn 5y ago
> this question has been settled at the federal level by the Supreme Court for over a century. Right, the Federal government does not have the right to force the public to take a shot, while states may. It may appear that public health is being run at the national level, but really the CDC issues recommendations and many states ignore these recommendations and replace them with their own. Public health is run by the states, but that doesn't mean the state can do whatever it wants. Each state has its own constitution, and its own state supreme court that verifies whether any mandate is lawful, so this is going to depend on the state constitution and local public health laws.