I tend to not give the various ideas much waiting right now. The reason I do that is we really don't know a damn thing about consciousness. For all we know the

I tend to not give the various ideas much waiting right now. The reason I do that is we really don't know a damn thing about consciousness. For all we know there are new physics out there. The other idea that I find compelling, and this is my own idea, is get consciousness of some kind the organism or mechanism must be complex enough to differentiate itself very fully from the world around it. We may end up making a smart brain in the box, but I don't think it will become conscious, unless it is complex enough to be aware of itself completely. And I'm sorry I'm having a hard time articulating this this morning, but just think about your fingertip we've got nerves and everything going all the way down there so that the whole mechanism is a closed loop it's kind of like we're built to know what is us what is not us completely with high fidelity. I think we're going to find that is a requirement for a self to manifest or in some way defines a being from a mechanism. Mechanisms will not be conscious, beings will. In any case we're pretty ignorant right now, meaning that Consciousness is Magic, and we can talk about all sorts of stuff and not be out of bounds.