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OpenSea is not products. Buyers think they will earn money from it and are prepared to put their HODL coin in it to earn more. It's one big piramid scheme. Rar

OpenSea is not products. Buyers think they will earn money from it and are prepared to put their HODL coin in it to earn more. It's one big piramid scheme. Rarible is similar. It's not comparable to e-commerce. NFT's in it's current state is literally the perfect product for HOLD'ers if you think about it. As said before, this all happened in the past. Woocommerce, Steam, Amazon, Stripe, ... All added it and removed it. Only square kept it. The current hype is just the same that started with failing business trying to jump in it ( eg. Kodak and KodakCoin). Visa and others do want to protect themselves. But even Stripe currently started again a team for crypto with 5 person while they anandoned it in the past. Nothing says it will be important, it's a matter of "what if", just like in 2017. Either way, this topic is about lowering transaction fees. Changing to crypto would lose a lot of business. As such, the "patent answer" here is not doable for a business. What's so hard to understand? You're not going to switch a business to a payment option that only represents 2% of possible transactions. There's currently a lot of FUD. But it's all going away when BTC drops again. It only took a pandemic previous time to reverse Bitcoin from a multi-year decline.

rvz 5y ago
> OpenSea is not products... Rarible is similar. It's not comparable to e-commerce. So OpenSea and Rarible don't qualify as 'e-commerce' because they sell 'NFTs' and domain-names are not products bought and sold on online marketplaces? You are splitting hairs once again. > As said before, this all happened in the past. Woocommerce, Steam, Amazon, Stripe, ... All added it and removed it. Only square kept it. First of all, we are in late-2021. Before I ask you to find citations for the reasons behind those removals, all these cases have cited towards the properties of Bitcoin payments and its unsuitability for that purpose, which is my whole point for businesses to use USDC on other cryptocurrencies like Stellar if they were to accept cryptocurrency payments; hence MoneyGram. We are not stuck in 2017 or whatever year you are trapped in. > Either way, this topic is about lowering transaction fees. So from "lowering transaction fees" to someone saying "Take payment in crypto" to you saying "That's not doable in practise" and me replying "USDC stablecoin sitting on cryptocurrencies like Stellar" and it ends up with you in denial, moving goal posts, splitting hairs until you now want to go back to "lowering transaction fees" which I already answered? Where did I mention in my original comment to use Bitcoin for payments? It seems that it is only you having a very hard time ignoring Bitcoin, Look at this constant rambling from you: > There's currently a lot of FUD. But it's all going away when BTC drops again. > It only took a pandemic previous time to reverse Bitcoin from a multi-year decline. What has Bitcoin got to do with USDC on many other cryptocurrencies as a suitable payment option with less fees? Your rambling here is completely irrelevant to that, regardless if Bitcoin goes up or down. Either way, my answer already has addressed the topic and your previous 'claims' regardless of you being unable to cite your claims or stay on topic. Your whole comment sounds more of a complaint about cryptocurrencies and NFTs than a substantiative argument at this point. Maybe that is what has changed here. When are you going to realise that your complaint is going round in circles?
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  Let's simplify it, to explain what "not doable in practice means": On a normal site, how many % of visitors do you think will/can pay with USDC on stellar? The example purchase is a computer screen worth 250$, found on a new e-commerce shop ( = you didn't have any purchases yet there) Note: Most people don't have crypto. So some basis for estimates: Let's say that 16 % of Americans have ever bought crypto. Let's be positive and say that halve of them are willing to use it for a purchase instead of considering it as an investment. So 8% - https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/11/16-of-americans-say-they-have-ever-invested-in-traded-or-used-cryptocurrency/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/11/16-of-ameri... . Spread of the holdings are taken from an article: > And it’s true that it is by far the most popular cryptocurrency with 66.7% of crypto investors owning Bitcoin. However, other crypto currencies are catching up with 28.6% of crypto investors holding the popular “memecoin” Dogecoin and 23.9% of investors holding Ethereum. https://www.finder.com/how-many-people-own-cryptocurrency https://www.finder.com/how-many-people-own-cryptocurrency A raw guess is fine ofc. My guess: 0.001% of visitors. I'll explain why after your guess. ( It's possible that i missed something. I don't do these guesses often and I'm not exactly sure how many of those can pay with USDC on stellar even, but that shouldn't matter for the estimate)
  - rvz 5y ago
    You already explained about what you 'really' meant by 'That's not doable in practise'. No need to change it again or repeat yourself before I commented. Let me remind you before you forget again: - You would immediately take a hit, because crypto payments are not popular. - Currency/btc conversion fees are more expensive than any transaction fee. Many ecoms added support in 2017 and removed that functionality again. There's no interest for buying things that isn't part of the "pump and dump" scheme. NFT's are probably the only thing, since they hope to resell it for more money. You did not say 'solely' until I commented, did you? Even after that, I gave examples of crypto-only businesses. Once again, you attempted to change and shift the goal-posts because you knew those examples were true. Throughout this whole thread. You are saying to everyone here, I cannot open a Shopify / WooCommerce account right now and accept USDC on whatever cryptocurrency like Stellar and accept payments, worldwide and not just in the US or with Bitcoin which your entire comment(s) are assuming. Have I just proven and caught you changing your complaints once again about 'what you really meant' in [0], since you knew how incorrect you were, rushing to comment and still avoiding all of my questions? It is evident that you are finding it harder and harder to cope and ignore cryptocurrencies in general and have to resort to changing definitions, meanings, etc to continue to hold up your complaints. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29735980 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29735980

rvz 5y ago

> OpenSea is not products... Rarible is similar. It's not comparable to e-commerce. So OpenSea and Rarible don't qualify as 'e-commerce' because they sell 'NFTs' and domain-names are not products bought and sold on online marketplaces? You are splitting hairs once again. > As said before, this all happened in the past. Woocommerce, Steam, Amazon, Stripe, ... All added it and removed it. Only square kept it. First of all, we are in late-2021. Before I ask you to find citations for the reasons behind those removals, all these cases have cited towards the properties of Bitcoin payments and its unsuitability for that purpose, which is my whole point for businesses to use USDC on other cryptocurrencies like Stellar if they were to accept cryptocurrency payments; hence MoneyGram. We are not stuck in 2017 or whatever year you are trapped in. > Either way, this topic is about lowering transaction fees. So from "lowering transaction fees" to someone saying "Take payment in crypto" to you saying "That's not doable in practise" and me replying "USDC stablecoin sitting on cryptocurrencies like Stellar" and it ends up with you in denial, moving goal posts, splitting hairs until you now want to go back to "lowering transaction fees" which I already answered? Where did I mention in my original comment to use Bitcoin for payments? It seems that it is only you having a very hard time ignoring Bitcoin, Look at this constant rambling from you: > There's currently a lot of FUD. But it's all going away when BTC drops again. > It only took a pandemic previous time to reverse Bitcoin from a multi-year decline. What has Bitcoin got to do with USDC on many other cryptocurrencies as a suitable payment option with less fees? Your rambling here is completely irrelevant to that, regardless if Bitcoin goes up or down. Either way, my answer already has addressed the topic and your previous 'claims' regardless of you being unable to cite your claims or stay on topic. Your whole comment sounds more of a complaint about cryptocurrencies and NFTs than a substantiative argument at this point. Maybe that is what has changed here. When are you going to realise that your complaint is going round in circles?

NicoJuicy 5y ago
Let's simplify it, to explain what "not doable in practice means": On a normal site, how many % of visitors do you think will/can pay with USDC on stellar? The example purchase is a computer screen worth 250$, found on a new e-commerce shop ( = you didn't have any purchases yet there) Note: Most people don't have crypto. So some basis for estimates: Let's say that 16 % of Americans have ever bought crypto. Let's be positive and say that halve of them are willing to use it for a purchase instead of considering it as an investment. So 8% - https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/11/16-of-americans-say-they-have-ever-invested-in-traded-or-used-cryptocurrency/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/11/16-of-ameri... . Spread of the holdings are taken from an article: > And it’s true that it is by far the most popular cryptocurrency with 66.7% of crypto investors owning Bitcoin. However, other crypto currencies are catching up with 28.6% of crypto investors holding the popular “memecoin” Dogecoin and 23.9% of investors holding Ethereum. https://www.finder.com/how-many-people-own-cryptocurrency https://www.finder.com/how-many-people-own-cryptocurrency A raw guess is fine ofc. My guess: 0.001% of visitors. I'll explain why after your guess. ( It's possible that i missed something. I don't do these guesses often and I'm not exactly sure how many of those can pay with USDC on stellar even, but that shouldn't matter for the estimate)
- rvz 5y ago
  You already explained about what you 'really' meant by 'That's not doable in practise'. No need to change it again or repeat yourself before I commented. Let me remind you before you forget again: - You would immediately take a hit, because crypto payments are not popular. - Currency/btc conversion fees are more expensive than any transaction fee. Many ecoms added support in 2017 and removed that functionality again. There's no interest for buying things that isn't part of the "pump and dump" scheme. NFT's are probably the only thing, since they hope to resell it for more money. You did not say 'solely' until I commented, did you? Even after that, I gave examples of crypto-only businesses. Once again, you attempted to change and shift the goal-posts because you knew those examples were true. Throughout this whole thread. You are saying to everyone here, I cannot open a Shopify / WooCommerce account right now and accept USDC on whatever cryptocurrency like Stellar and accept payments, worldwide and not just in the US or with Bitcoin which your entire comment(s) are assuming. Have I just proven and caught you changing your complaints once again about 'what you really meant' in [0], since you knew how incorrect you were, rushing to comment and still avoiding all of my questions? It is evident that you are finding it harder and harder to cope and ignore cryptocurrencies in general and have to resort to changing definitions, meanings, etc to continue to hold up your complaints. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29735980 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29735980