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That's completely useless. Vaccines are only useful if they stop or slow the spread. There are plenty of other treatments that are successful at preventing seve

That's completely useless. Vaccines are only useful if they stop or slow the spread. There are plenty of other treatments that are successful at preventing severe illness. So what does forcing people to get a third vaccine really accomplish? In my opinion two things, further erosion of our freedoms, and huge profits for big pharma. As I said elsewhere in this thread, the slogan of standford is literally "The wind of freedom blows". This policy does absolutely nothing to further anyone's freedom.

jlongr 5y ago
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/breakthrough-covid-19-infectio https://abcnews.go.com/Health/breakthrough-covid-19-infectio... “Breakthrough infections are not evidence that vaccines don’t work anymore than the fact that car crashes [that] are still sometimes fatal is evidence that seatbelts don’t work. We use prevention tools because they help reduce our risk of serious disease or death, not because they are guaranteed to 100% always keep us safe,” Murray [, an assistant professor of epidemiology at Boston University School of Public Health] said.
- kyruzic 5y ago
woodruffw 5y ago
Why would a vaccine only be useful if it stops the spread? It's a medical treatment like any other, and we universally recognize the importance of medical treatments that reduce severe illnesses to manageable levels even when they are not themselves cures. (And moreover, this has been true for all vaccines ever made: no vaccine guarantees 100% protection from its illness, but nearly all significantly reduce the severity of breakthrough cases.) Edit: to emphasize: there are other ways to prevent severe illness from COVID, like monoclonal antibodies (at least, the ones that still work against Omicron). But none of them counter what you've posited (making pharma companies money), and none have as mature, reliable, and freely available of a supply as do vaccines.
- kyruzic 5y ago
  Because as I said, there are other treatments that are effective at treating covid. We can simply use those instead without need for mandates.
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    Could you elaborate on which treatments you think those are? I'm aware of monoclonal antibodies and other antiviral treatments, which are generally more difficult and expensive to distribute compared to vaccines, and are more susceptive to variant changes. To reiterate: that doesn't mean that people shouldn't get antibody treatments, only that we should continue to practice "needs based" care: vaccinate everyone, and use the more drastic (expensive, logistically complex) treatments on those who need it the most.

jlongr 5y ago

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/breakthrough-covid-19-infectio https://abcnews.go.com/Health/breakthrough-covid-19-infectio... “Breakthrough infections are not evidence that vaccines don’t work anymore than the fact that car crashes [that] are still sometimes fatal is evidence that seatbelts don’t work. We use prevention tools because they help reduce our risk of serious disease or death, not because they are guaranteed to 100% always keep us safe,” Murray [, an assistant professor of epidemiology at Boston University School of Public Health] said.

kyruzic 5y ago

woodruffw 5y ago

Why would a vaccine only be useful if it stops the spread? It's a medical treatment like any other, and we universally recognize the importance of medical treatments that reduce severe illnesses to manageable levels even when they are not themselves cures. (And moreover, this has been true for all vaccines ever made: no vaccine guarantees 100% protection from its illness, but nearly all significantly reduce the severity of breakthrough cases.) Edit: to emphasize: there are other ways to prevent severe illness from COVID, like monoclonal antibodies (at least, the ones that still work against Omicron). But none of them counter what you've posited (making pharma companies money), and none have as mature, reliable, and freely available of a supply as do vaccines.

kyruzic 5y ago
Because as I said, there are other treatments that are effective at treating covid. We can simply use those instead without need for mandates.
- woodruffw 5y ago
  Could you elaborate on which treatments you think those are? I'm aware of monoclonal antibodies and other antiviral treatments, which are generally more difficult and expensive to distribute compared to vaccines, and are more susceptive to variant changes. To reiterate: that doesn't mean that people shouldn't get antibody treatments, only that we should continue to practice "needs based" care: vaccinate everyone, and use the more drastic (expensive, logistically complex) treatments on those who need it the most.