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The point since the start was to prevent serious cases. In my country the only target value under consideration for intensifying/reducing measures is just ICU o

by yulaow 5y ago

The point since the start was to prevent serious cases. In my country the only target value under consideration for intensifying/reducing measures is just ICU occupations in hospital, and this rapid increase of cases, even with lower risk of serious cases compared to delta, is seriously jeopardizing our hospitals (again)

miles 5y ago
> The point since the start was to prevent serious cases. It was sold as preventing transmission: It's official: Vaccinated people don't transmit COVID-19 https://fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-people-dont-transmit-covid-19/ https://fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-peopl... > "Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials but it's also in real-world data," CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told Rachel Maddow on Monday, March 29.
- yulaow 5y ago
  I admit I don't know the narrative in the US/CDC. For what I understood reading around on various international news networks the idea it would prevent transmission via reducing the viral charge to almost zero was related to the variant to which the current version of the vaccines were built for. The new variants (delta first and omicron in particular) require new updated and targeted vaccines to keep the viral charge so low to keep avoiding transmission. But again, I am no virologist and my understanding is just a sum of what I read around.
- eli_gottlieb 5y ago
  That's a fairly week post-hoc claim that was oversold in the media. The actual clinical, controlled studies weren't checking for stopping transmission.
  - miles 5y ago
    > That's a fairly week post-hoc claim that was oversold in the media. Besides CDC Director Walensky's claim that the vaccines would prevent transmission, another well-known and trusted figure named Tony Fauci made the same claim: Masks off? Fauci confirms ‘extremely low’ risk of transmission, infection for vaccinated https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/dr-fauci-confirms-extremely-low-risk-of-transmission-and-infection-for-vaccinated-112213061906 https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/dr-fauci-confirms-extreme... > “The risk is extremely low of getting infected, of getting sick, or of transmitting it to anybody else, full stop,” says Dr. Fauci, explaining the new CDC mask guidance for fully vaccinated folks.

by yulaow 5y ago

miles 5y ago

> The point since the start was to prevent serious cases. It was sold as preventing transmission: It's official: Vaccinated people don't transmit COVID-19 https://fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-people-dont-transmit-covid-19/ https://fortune.com/2021/04/01/its-official-vaccinated-peopl... > "Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials but it's also in real-world data," CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told Rachel Maddow on Monday, March 29.

yulaow 5y ago
I admit I don't know the narrative in the US/CDC. For what I understood reading around on various international news networks the idea it would prevent transmission via reducing the viral charge to almost zero was related to the variant to which the current version of the vaccines were built for. The new variants (delta first and omicron in particular) require new updated and targeted vaccines to keep the viral charge so low to keep avoiding transmission. But again, I am no virologist and my understanding is just a sum of what I read around.
eli_gottlieb 5y ago
That's a fairly week post-hoc claim that was oversold in the media. The actual clinical, controlled studies weren't checking for stopping transmission.
- miles 5y ago
  > That's a fairly week post-hoc claim that was oversold in the media. Besides CDC Director Walensky's claim that the vaccines would prevent transmission, another well-known and trusted figure named Tony Fauci made the same claim: Masks off? Fauci confirms ‘extremely low’ risk of transmission, infection for vaccinated https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/dr-fauci-confirms-extremely-low-risk-of-transmission-and-infection-for-vaccinated-112213061906 https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/dr-fauci-confirms-extreme... > “The risk is extremely low of getting infected, of getting sick, or of transmitting it to anybody else, full stop,” says Dr. Fauci, explaining the new CDC mask guidance for fully vaccinated folks.