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What religious exemption is the page referring to ? How are vaccines a religious subject ?

josephcsible 5y ago
Every vaccine available in the US was developed or tested using stem cells from aborted babies, and the J&J one is also manufactured with them. A lot of religions forbid intentionally benefiting from others' sins.
- clint 5y ago
  Isn't this true of nearly every pharmaceutical on the market?
- justin66 5y ago
  Even the Catholic Church has given the A-OK for its adherents to take these vaccines. At this point, anyone you encounter citing a "religious" objection is more likely to be citing a personal preference.
  - cheeseomlit 5y ago
    Isn't religion supposed to be a deeply personal thing, not necessarily tied to some earthly institution or organization? What if I sincerely believe that complete and total bodily autonomy is a God-given right but I'm not a member of a church who shares my views, are my beliefs invalid?
    - justin66 5y ago
      > Isn't religion supposed to be a deeply personal thing, not necessarily tied to some earthly institution or organization? You are asking the wrong guy, but I'd note that the person I was responding to mentioned sin. That implies some things about which religions he was including, and membership in those religions implies some other things about obedience to religious authority and so on. If you're in the clear with the Catholics and the Baptists when it comes to sinning, that covers a lot of ideological ground. > What if I sincerely believe that complete and total bodily autonomy is a God-given right but I'm not a member of a church who shares my views, are my beliefs invalid? As I implied in my other comment, I do think there's a distinction to be drawn between religion and personal preference. I don't have a really deep take on this, but I'd note that it wouldn't be the first time the law had to take these things into account. I do not know that much about this stuff, but I think being a member of a group (even the Scientologists!) helps if you want your beliefs recognized as religious beliefs. A problem prophets and mystics have had to contend with for quite some time, I imagine.
- sosborn 5y ago
  If the bit about others' sins was even remotely consistently applied, then adherents to that religion would simply not be able to participate in modern society.
- jliptzin 5y ago
  So I guess their official stance is that god will save you from COVID if you're worth saving?
jedmeyers 5y ago
Our whole existence is a religious subject. And everything we do while we exist falls under it. Also no, it does not have to be organized to be a religion.
gwbas1c 5y ago
Some organized religions forbid them. https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness/news-resource-articles/immunizations-and-religion https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness/news-resource-articles/...
CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
It's like the old joke: "They broke up over religious differences - He thought he was God, and she disagreed!"
spaetzleesser 5y ago
Religious exemptions bother me quite a bit as a non-religious person. Why can people demand special treatment because of "religion" but my beliefs don't count unless I an hiding behind religion. I don't think the beliefs of religious people are more valid or deserve more respect than mine. Either everybody should follow a rule or nobody.

Every vaccine available in the US was developed or tested using stem cells from aborted babies, and the J&J one is also manufactured with them. A lot of religions forbid intentionally benefiting from others' sins.

clint 5y ago
Isn't this true of nearly every pharmaceutical on the market?
justin66 5y ago
Even the Catholic Church has given the A-OK for its adherents to take these vaccines. At this point, anyone you encounter citing a "religious" objection is more likely to be citing a personal preference.
- cheeseomlit 5y ago
  Isn't religion supposed to be a deeply personal thing, not necessarily tied to some earthly institution or organization? What if I sincerely believe that complete and total bodily autonomy is a God-given right but I'm not a member of a church who shares my views, are my beliefs invalid?
  - justin66 5y ago
    > Isn't religion supposed to be a deeply personal thing, not necessarily tied to some earthly institution or organization? You are asking the wrong guy, but I'd note that the person I was responding to mentioned sin. That implies some things about which religions he was including, and membership in those religions implies some other things about obedience to religious authority and so on. If you're in the clear with the Catholics and the Baptists when it comes to sinning, that covers a lot of ideological ground. > What if I sincerely believe that complete and total bodily autonomy is a God-given right but I'm not a member of a church who shares my views, are my beliefs invalid? As I implied in my other comment, I do think there's a distinction to be drawn between religion and personal preference. I don't have a really deep take on this, but I'd note that it wouldn't be the first time the law had to take these things into account. I do not know that much about this stuff, but I think being a member of a group (even the Scientologists!) helps if you want your beliefs recognized as religious beliefs. A problem prophets and mystics have had to contend with for quite some time, I imagine.
sosborn 5y ago
If the bit about others' sins was even remotely consistently applied, then adherents to that religion would simply not be able to participate in modern society.
jliptzin 5y ago
So I guess their official stance is that god will save you from COVID if you're worth saving?

jedmeyers 5y ago

Our whole existence is a religious subject. And everything we do while we exist falls under it. Also no, it does not have to be organized to be a religion.

gwbas1c 5y ago

Some organized religions forbid them. https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness/news-resource-articles/immunizations-and-religion https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness/news-resource-articles/...

CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago

It's like the old joke: "They broke up over religious differences - He thought he was God, and she disagreed!"

spaetzleesser 5y ago

Religious exemptions bother me quite a bit as a non-religious person. Why can people demand special treatment because of "religion" but my beliefs don't count unless I an hiding behind religion. I don't think the beliefs of religious people are more valid or deserve more respect than mine. Either everybody should follow a rule or nobody.