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> But the other 50% of women who may have otherwise made a career in this industry were driven out. [Citation Needed]

ramesh31 5y ago
My point being that there's no reason engineering teams shouldn't be 50/50 male/female, but the reality is more like 90/10. Why does the other 40% never show up despite our best efforts? It's cultural.
- wiseowise 5y ago
  Maybe because they don't apply?
  - 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
    It's wild seeing nerds on HN bend over backwards to justify themselves when the truth is that fewer women want to do the job. Not because they aren't capable but because they just don't want to.
  - ramesh31 5y ago
    >Maybe because they don't apply? And why didn't they apply? Software is one of the best careers in the world. Maybe they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline because tech is pseudonomyous with the the kind of people who like to talk about things like DeepCreamPy. Maybe they walk into that freshman CS class and see 30 other dudes that fit this profile and give them creepy unwanted attention and they drop it and switch to biology. There's a serious "dudes club" problem with this industry and this just feels like an expression of that.
    - 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
      Keep digging that hole bro.
    - wiseowise 5y ago
      > Maybe they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline I have admin access to our pipeline. They don't apply. The ratio is 50:1 or so. > Maybe they walk into that freshman CS class and see 30 other dudes that fit this profile and give them creepy unwanted attention and they drop it and switch to biology. And? What's your point here? > There's a serious "dudes club" problem with this industry and this just feels like an expression of that. Python library made to remove censorship from cartoons is an expression of some abstract made-up problem, do you even hear yourself?
    - jhgb 5y ago
      > Software is one of the best careers in the world. In theory it is. In practice...well, let's ask game developers for example. Or other groups who end up with a real-world job they end up hating. > Maybe they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline Quite likely. > because tech is pseudonomyous with the the kind of people who like to talk about things like DeepCreamPy. Maybe they walk into that freshman CS class and see 30 other dudes that fit this profile and give them creepy unwanted attention and they drop it and switch to biology. Yeah, that's not happening. First, because for example in my country there's no such thing as "switching to biology", so you can't lose them this way. And yet, there's something like 7% of women in my country's informatics-related university programmes. Furthermore, those 7% are 7% of applicants, so there's no "maybe they [walked] into that freshman CS class" because those 7% haven't even seen that freshman class yet. So while you're quite likely correct in that "they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline", it's definitely WAY earlier than you postulate in at least some quite large populations in the world.

My point being that there's no reason engineering teams shouldn't be 50/50 male/female, but the reality is more like 90/10. Why does the other 40% never show up despite our best efforts? It's cultural.

wiseowise 5y ago
Maybe because they don't apply?
- 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
  It's wild seeing nerds on HN bend over backwards to justify themselves when the truth is that fewer women want to do the job. Not because they aren't capable but because they just don't want to.
- ramesh31 5y ago
  >Maybe because they don't apply? And why didn't they apply? Software is one of the best careers in the world. Maybe they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline because tech is pseudonomyous with the the kind of people who like to talk about things like DeepCreamPy. Maybe they walk into that freshman CS class and see 30 other dudes that fit this profile and give them creepy unwanted attention and they drop it and switch to biology. There's a serious "dudes club" problem with this industry and this just feels like an expression of that.
  - 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
    Keep digging that hole bro.
  - wiseowise 5y ago
    > Maybe they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline I have admin access to our pipeline. They don't apply. The ratio is 50:1 or so. > Maybe they walk into that freshman CS class and see 30 other dudes that fit this profile and give them creepy unwanted attention and they drop it and switch to biology. And? What's your point here? > There's a serious "dudes club" problem with this industry and this just feels like an expression of that. Python library made to remove censorship from cartoons is an expression of some abstract made-up problem, do you even hear yourself?
  - jhgb 5y ago
    > Software is one of the best careers in the world. In theory it is. In practice...well, let's ask game developers for example. Or other groups who end up with a real-world job they end up hating. > Maybe they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline Quite likely. > because tech is pseudonomyous with the the kind of people who like to talk about things like DeepCreamPy. Maybe they walk into that freshman CS class and see 30 other dudes that fit this profile and give them creepy unwanted attention and they drop it and switch to biology. Yeah, that's not happening. First, because for example in my country there's no such thing as "switching to biology", so you can't lose them this way. And yet, there's something like 7% of women in my country's informatics-related university programmes. Furthermore, those 7% are 7% of applicants, so there's no "maybe they [walked] into that freshman CS class" because those 7% haven't even seen that freshman class yet. So while you're quite likely correct in that "they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline", it's definitely WAY earlier than you postulate in at least some quite large populations in the world.