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The bigger issue for those who object might be ceding control over personal energy consumption to authoritarian central planners. It fits with a pattern of usur

The bigger issue for those who object might be ceding control over personal energy consumption to authoritarian central planners. It fits with a pattern of usurpation of individual liberties under the pretense of emergency. Whether or not the Earth has a warming climate is largely irrelevant to this point. The next question would be what the optimal climate is and how do these experts know what it is? We've gone from weather forecasters being wrong about rain over the weekend, to politicians and their pet technocrats asserting that the current climatic trajectory is somehow "wrong". The solution as always, is to give politicians more power.

kelseyfrog 5y ago
This is a really good example of not liking a solution and resolving that conflict by denying the problem. Was there a single point in your life where your worldview crystalized or was it an evolving process? I'm genuinely interested in how people arrive at the place your at.
- aww_dang 5y ago
  Your comment is patronizing, but I'll do my best. Pollution is still a problem for me. I'd say I evolved as I matured as an individual. There was only so much fearful propaganda I could consume before my curiosity led me to examine the premises. The repeated invocation of apocalypse to scare people has direct historical parallels to other religious financial schemes. What is an ideal climate, and how would fallible men determine that? Does it not seem backwards for man to dictate what nature should be, when man will never have sufficient information to describe nature? Who knows, maybe your views will also continue to evolve? I hope I can retain enough curiosity to do the same for myself.
  - kelseyfrog 5y ago
    Obviously a lot of directions to take this, but how is climate different from say the ozone hole story? To me it bears the same hallmarks. We don't fully understand the atmosphere, should we have left the problem alone? Who are we to say what the right size the hole should be. To top it off a lot of people seem to be afraid of it and claim it will mean the end of most life on earth. I'm curious how either you frame it as a different thing. Is it that we do understand ozone dynamics, or that people weren't afraid of it, or something else?

kelseyfrog 5y ago

This is a really good example of not liking a solution and resolving that conflict by denying the problem. Was there a single point in your life where your worldview crystalized or was it an evolving process? I'm genuinely interested in how people arrive at the place your at.

aww_dang 5y ago
Your comment is patronizing, but I'll do my best. Pollution is still a problem for me. I'd say I evolved as I matured as an individual. There was only so much fearful propaganda I could consume before my curiosity led me to examine the premises. The repeated invocation of apocalypse to scare people has direct historical parallels to other religious financial schemes. What is an ideal climate, and how would fallible men determine that? Does it not seem backwards for man to dictate what nature should be, when man will never have sufficient information to describe nature? Who knows, maybe your views will also continue to evolve? I hope I can retain enough curiosity to do the same for myself.
- kelseyfrog 5y ago
  Obviously a lot of directions to take this, but how is climate different from say the ozone hole story? To me it bears the same hallmarks. We don't fully understand the atmosphere, should we have left the problem alone? Who are we to say what the right size the hole should be. To top it off a lot of people seem to be afraid of it and claim it will mean the end of most life on earth. I'm curious how either you frame it as a different thing. Is it that we do understand ozone dynamics, or that people weren't afraid of it, or something else?