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>Oh yeah, because only men watch porn and hentai. Nope. But what is the breakdown, 70/30 at best? There's nothing wrong with watching porn. It's just that havi

>Oh yeah, because only men watch porn and hentai. Nope. But what is the breakdown, 70/30 at best? There's nothing wrong with watching porn. It's just that having a casual "frat house" culture like this where people feel fine sharing these things in a supposedly professional environment inevitably leads to women being ostracized or alienated. The majority who disagree get labelled as boring or buzzkills and are excluded from the group, while the minority who go along are held up as examples to make them feel bad (we're not misogynistic! look!) like you pointed out.

jhgb 5y ago
I'm puzzled. On one hand, you're talking about "an inclusive community". On the other hand, you admit to dismissing thirty percent of women?
- wiseowise 5y ago
  It's not about women, it's vendetta against men.
0x0nyandesu 5y ago
You know what actually drove my fiance out of tech? Sitting in front of a computer all day till her health, looks, and worth as a women became threatened because instead of being fit, taking care of her body, and practicing self care she would instead have to do what most men do and just sit all day. She has made commits to the Linux kernel that have been merged and she loves hentai and porn but is no longer in tech because she literally makes more money being a cam girl and it's way more fun. Tldr: stop trying to white knight. It's neither warranted nor welcome.
- ramesh31 5y ago
  >She has made commits to the Linux kernel that have been merged and she loves hentai and porn but is no longer in tech because she literally makes more money being a cam girl and it's way more fun. I'd argue this proves my point though. Your fiance is someone who conformed to the existing male dominated culture and succeeded despite the structural roadblocks in place. But the other 50% of women who may have otherwise made a career in this industry were driven out.
  - 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
    > But the other 50% of women who may have otherwise made a career in this industry were driven out. [Citation Needed]
    - ramesh31 5y ago
      My point being that there's no reason engineering teams shouldn't be 50/50 male/female, but the reality is more like 90/10. Why does the other 40% never show up despite our best efforts? It's cultural.
      - wiseowise 5y ago
        Maybe because they don't apply?
        0x0nyandesu 5y ago
        It's wild seeing nerds on HN bend over backwards to justify themselves when the truth is that fewer women want to do the job. Not because they aren't capable but because they just don't want to.
        ramesh31 5y ago
        >Maybe because they don't apply? And why didn't they apply? Software is one of the best careers in the world. Maybe they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline because tech is pseudonomyous with the the kind of people who like to talk about things like DeepCreamPy. Maybe they walk into that freshman CS class and see 30 other dudes that fit this profile and give them creepy unwanted attention and they drop it and switch to biology. There's a serious "dudes club" problem with this industry and this just feels like an expression of that.
        0x0nyandesu 5y ago
        Keep digging that hole bro.
        5y ago

jhgb 5y ago

I'm puzzled. On one hand, you're talking about "an inclusive community". On the other hand, you admit to dismissing thirty percent of women?

wiseowise 5y ago
It's not about women, it's vendetta against men.

0x0nyandesu 5y ago

You know what actually drove my fiance out of tech? Sitting in front of a computer all day till her health, looks, and worth as a women became threatened because instead of being fit, taking care of her body, and practicing self care she would instead have to do what most men do and just sit all day. She has made commits to the Linux kernel that have been merged and she loves hentai and porn but is no longer in tech because she literally makes more money being a cam girl and it's way more fun. Tldr: stop trying to white knight. It's neither warranted nor welcome.

ramesh31 5y ago
>She has made commits to the Linux kernel that have been merged and she loves hentai and porn but is no longer in tech because she literally makes more money being a cam girl and it's way more fun. I'd argue this proves my point though. Your fiance is someone who conformed to the existing male dominated culture and succeeded despite the structural roadblocks in place. But the other 50% of women who may have otherwise made a career in this industry were driven out.
- 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
  > But the other 50% of women who may have otherwise made a career in this industry were driven out. [Citation Needed]
  - ramesh31 5y ago
    My point being that there's no reason engineering teams shouldn't be 50/50 male/female, but the reality is more like 90/10. Why does the other 40% never show up despite our best efforts? It's cultural.
    - wiseowise 5y ago
      Maybe because they don't apply?
      - 0x0nyandesu 5y ago
        It's wild seeing nerds on HN bend over backwards to justify themselves when the truth is that fewer women want to do the job. Not because they aren't capable but because they just don't want to.
      - ramesh31 5y ago
        >Maybe because they don't apply? And why didn't they apply? Software is one of the best careers in the world. Maybe they are getting lost along the way earlier in the pipeline because tech is pseudonomyous with the the kind of people who like to talk about things like DeepCreamPy. Maybe they walk into that freshman CS class and see 30 other dudes that fit this profile and give them creepy unwanted attention and they drop it and switch to biology. There's a serious "dudes club" problem with this industry and this just feels like an expression of that.
        0x0nyandesu 5y ago
        Keep digging that hole bro.
        5y ago