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A man was very recently arrested for decesoring pixeleted Japanese porn with Deep Learning ("AI"). Man Arrested for Uncensoring Japanese Porn With AI in First

by rg111 5y ago

A man was very recently arrested for decesoring pixeleted Japanese porn with Deep Learning ("AI"). Man Arrested for Uncensoring Japanese Porn With AI in First Deepfake Case - Vice (https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgdq87/deepfakes-japan-arrest-japanese-porn https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgdq87/deepfakes-japan-arres...) Note: This is not hentai, but real-life porn. Whenever I see news like this- I feel like there are a lot of work that can be done in Porn with AI. There are several low-hanging fruits that can be very easily solved. I don't know why no one is working on them. I guess it would be difficult for people to say that they do AI at PornHub, and it will be hard for people to find work afterwards. Not to mention the ethical implications even when the humans involved fully agree to everything.

netcan 5y ago
>> a lot of work that can be done in Porn with AI. I think that "can be" is probably and "is being." Porn generally, has a historical tendency to be a pioneering adopter of media technology. A substantial chunk of early commercial photography was pornographic. Early films. Early ecommerce. Streaming video. Porn is currently the most developed/active niche in VR filmmaking. I would even consider renaissance portraiture a part of the pattern. In any case, most of "deepfake" that exists currently besides demonstration is pornographic.
- Barrin92 5y ago
  ads and payment as well. One of the first uses of real-time online credit card transactions was payment for the Pamela Anderson / Tommy Lee sex tape.
- rg111 5y ago
  I also think the same. Many things are possible with the AI technology that we have today, right at this very moment that can be used to do things are the most wild things. Some of it would be illegal, some of it would be unethical. Good things are possible, too. There was a repo on GitHub that contained the JDK environment variables (IIRC) to identify and box Uighurs from CC camera footage. The news made the headlines. The getting out part was not really intended, I guess. So, imagine- what other wild things are out there in non-public repos. "AI" is a very bad name, and often seen as synonymous to AGI. And people are either afraid or excited about it. Because much of the public facing content is focused on beyond-human AI. I guess this is because it is easy to get fundings, and there are private propaganda Machines running? But there are so much that can be done today. Right now. Good things, too. If there are people willing to do it, and people willing to fund it, things are getting done. AI weaponry is among this. I believe many things are being done that are far away from the public information. Let me give you an example. If there is a drone, I guess, it is not hard for mechanical engineers to rig a machine gun to it. Or with $$$ of defence funding, maybe a drone designed to host a machine gun. Then all you need is basically a cheap webcam and a Raspberry Pi to detect any motion, store the coordinates and aim and trigger the gun. When you have an enemy line, you deploy it behind that, and get done with it. I am sure multiple countries have this today. And this example is among the lowest-hanging fruits of AI weaponry.
- suifbwish 5y ago
  The reason for this is we descend from an unbroken genetic line of creatures for which absolutely nothing else mattered what they did or did not do except that they could procreate healthy offspring. The drive for life to ensure it’s continual survival and evolution takes on all forms and it’s power permeates every other part of life. primatea in all of our wit and charm have become too smart to procreate in some cases by figuring out how to short circuit the drive to procreate through artificial stimulation. In some cases, intelligence can become an evolutionary disadvantage.
warning26 5y ago
I believe the issue was not that he was de-censoring per se, it was that he was reselling copyrighted works. That is, he could have been arrested for the same crime even if he was reselling them with no changes.
suifbwish 5y ago
Someone who works in this sort of industry told a friend of mine that they are hired by a company that is contracted to the adult company but the adult company and the contractor company are owned/controlled by the same individuals. This way no one has to list some porn company as their past employer. If this was not done very few people would ever work for an adult company since it would immediately turn man future employers off.
hwers 5y ago
Despite the headline, inside the actual article they admit that it wasn't really for uncensoring that he got arrested, but for copyright violation (as well as basically displaying porn in a country where porn is illegal).
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- rg111 5y ago
  Copyright laws are a favorite instrument of preventing stuff that you do not want to happen. In one country, making reaction videos or analysing news with clips from proprietary news channel is very common. Then came a guy, who used news clips to create Before/After clips of politicians of a certain party. In these clips, the same person would be saying completely opposite things- on camera, and publicly- some years apart. These videos went viral. The party was in power. They forced the news channels to claim copyright to YouTube, and as they were legitimate, YT did take down those videos. So, yes, when they say that he was arrested for copyright claims- I don't trust that.
zionic 5y ago
>Porn and AI This comment reminds me of a disturbing one I read a few months back on an anonymous underwater basket weaving forum. The poster was discussing those expensive “real doll” (?) sex robots that creep me out, anyways he went on to mention that he discovered the app “face app” could take these things from “uncanny valley” to essentially photorealistic. Makes sense given what the app is supposed to do, but the real mind fuck was he said it also works on under aged dolls… which again I was surprised to learn are apparently legal most places. So AI/ML can take an inanimate object and then create highly illegal fool-most-humans level fake image from said inanimate object. Seems pretty scary to me, and we might not be far from an ML model that can essentially produce endless amounts of illegal content. What are the implications of that? How do you even begin to police/filter that? Then I guess there’s the question of if we even should, since none of it’s real anyways. Porn and AI is gonna get real messy.
- rg111 5y ago
  > we might not be far from an ML model that can essentially produce endless amounts of illegal content Like this [0] one? And give me enough money, I can get you one that's a lot better. But I don't want to work for a porn company because of not the perceived immorality of porn, but for the horrible things that come with Porn. And I am well past my teenage years to do this with my own time and money. [0]: https://thisvaginadoesnotexist.com/about.html https://thisvaginadoesnotexist.com/about.html
- aeturnum 5y ago
  > Porn and AI is gonna get real messy. From a practical standpoint I think it is going to be an unmitigated nightmare: people creating AI revenge porn, fake porn of famous people, etc. From a legal standpoint, I don't think AI changes that much. People still own their image and while I would support stronger penalties for creating fake media of people, the law protects third parties using your image without your permission. Revenge porn already carries specific penalties in many jurisdictions[1]. > I guess there’s the question of if we even should, since none of it’s real anyways. I absolutely think you should have say over the release and distribution of porn that uses your image. Not because it's wrong to make porn, but because you are impacted by its existence. [1] I am generally skeptical of the ability of the prison system to deal with these kinds of things, but if we are going to have one I am glad it's included in the list of crimes.
bayindirh 5y ago
> I feel like there are a lot of work that can be done in Porn with AI. Well, one of the de-facto test images for image processing belongs to a Playboy model [0], so it looks like a natural evolution in the field. Actually it's amazing how image processing revolves around sexual imagery. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna
- taylorius 5y ago
  Lenna is a great image, they shouldn't retire it. it's only her head and shoulders after all, and she looks great. They should get a good looking male photo too, to balance things up - use them both for testing.

by rg111 5y ago

netcan 5y ago

>> a lot of work that can be done in Porn with AI. I think that "can be" is probably and "is being." Porn generally, has a historical tendency to be a pioneering adopter of media technology. A substantial chunk of early commercial photography was pornographic. Early films. Early ecommerce. Streaming video. Porn is currently the most developed/active niche in VR filmmaking. I would even consider renaissance portraiture a part of the pattern. In any case, most of "deepfake" that exists currently besides demonstration is pornographic.

Barrin92 5y ago
ads and payment as well. One of the first uses of real-time online credit card transactions was payment for the Pamela Anderson / Tommy Lee sex tape.
rg111 5y ago
I also think the same. Many things are possible with the AI technology that we have today, right at this very moment that can be used to do things are the most wild things. Some of it would be illegal, some of it would be unethical. Good things are possible, too. There was a repo on GitHub that contained the JDK environment variables (IIRC) to identify and box Uighurs from CC camera footage. The news made the headlines. The getting out part was not really intended, I guess. So, imagine- what other wild things are out there in non-public repos. "AI" is a very bad name, and often seen as synonymous to AGI. And people are either afraid or excited about it. Because much of the public facing content is focused on beyond-human AI. I guess this is because it is easy to get fundings, and there are private propaganda Machines running? But there are so much that can be done today. Right now. Good things, too. If there are people willing to do it, and people willing to fund it, things are getting done. AI weaponry is among this. I believe many things are being done that are far away from the public information. Let me give you an example. If there is a drone, I guess, it is not hard for mechanical engineers to rig a machine gun to it. Or with $$$ of defence funding, maybe a drone designed to host a machine gun. Then all you need is basically a cheap webcam and a Raspberry Pi to detect any motion, store the coordinates and aim and trigger the gun. When you have an enemy line, you deploy it behind that, and get done with it. I am sure multiple countries have this today. And this example is among the lowest-hanging fruits of AI weaponry.
suifbwish 5y ago
The reason for this is we descend from an unbroken genetic line of creatures for which absolutely nothing else mattered what they did or did not do except that they could procreate healthy offspring. The drive for life to ensure it’s continual survival and evolution takes on all forms and it’s power permeates every other part of life. primatea in all of our wit and charm have become too smart to procreate in some cases by figuring out how to short circuit the drive to procreate through artificial stimulation. In some cases, intelligence can become an evolutionary disadvantage.

warning26 5y ago

I believe the issue was not that he was de-censoring per se, it was that he was reselling copyrighted works. That is, he could have been arrested for the same crime even if he was reselling them with no changes.

suifbwish 5y ago

Someone who works in this sort of industry told a friend of mine that they are hired by a company that is contracted to the adult company but the adult company and the contractor company are owned/controlled by the same individuals. This way no one has to list some porn company as their past employer. If this was not done very few people would ever work for an adult company since it would immediately turn man future employers off.

hwers 5y ago

Despite the headline, inside the actual article they admit that it wasn't really for uncensoring that he got arrested, but for copyright violation (as well as basically displaying porn in a country where porn is illegal).

deleted 5y ago
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rg111 5y ago
Copyright laws are a favorite instrument of preventing stuff that you do not want to happen. In one country, making reaction videos or analysing news with clips from proprietary news channel is very common. Then came a guy, who used news clips to create Before/After clips of politicians of a certain party. In these clips, the same person would be saying completely opposite things- on camera, and publicly- some years apart. These videos went viral. The party was in power. They forced the news channels to claim copyright to YouTube, and as they were legitimate, YT did take down those videos. So, yes, when they say that he was arrested for copyright claims- I don't trust that.

zionic 5y ago

>Porn and AI This comment reminds me of a disturbing one I read a few months back on an anonymous underwater basket weaving forum. The poster was discussing those expensive “real doll” (?) sex robots that creep me out, anyways he went on to mention that he discovered the app “face app” could take these things from “uncanny valley” to essentially photorealistic. Makes sense given what the app is supposed to do, but the real mind fuck was he said it also works on under aged dolls… which again I was surprised to learn are apparently legal most places. So AI/ML can take an inanimate object and then create highly illegal fool-most-humans level fake image from said inanimate object. Seems pretty scary to me, and we might not be far from an ML model that can essentially produce endless amounts of illegal content. What are the implications of that? How do you even begin to police/filter that? Then I guess there’s the question of if we even should, since none of it’s real anyways. Porn and AI is gonna get real messy.

rg111 5y ago
> we might not be far from an ML model that can essentially produce endless amounts of illegal content Like this [0] one? And give me enough money, I can get you one that's a lot better. But I don't want to work for a porn company because of not the perceived immorality of porn, but for the horrible things that come with Porn. And I am well past my teenage years to do this with my own time and money. [0]: https://thisvaginadoesnotexist.com/about.html https://thisvaginadoesnotexist.com/about.html
aeturnum 5y ago
> Porn and AI is gonna get real messy. From a practical standpoint I think it is going to be an unmitigated nightmare: people creating AI revenge porn, fake porn of famous people, etc. From a legal standpoint, I don't think AI changes that much. People still own their image and while I would support stronger penalties for creating fake media of people, the law protects third parties using your image without your permission. Revenge porn already carries specific penalties in many jurisdictions[1]. > I guess there’s the question of if we even should, since none of it’s real anyways. I absolutely think you should have say over the release and distribution of porn that uses your image. Not because it's wrong to make porn, but because you are impacted by its existence. [1] I am generally skeptical of the ability of the prison system to deal with these kinds of things, but if we are going to have one I am glad it's included in the list of crimes.

bayindirh 5y ago

> I feel like there are a lot of work that can be done in Porn with AI. Well, one of the de-facto test images for image processing belongs to a Playboy model [0], so it looks like a natural evolution in the field. Actually it's amazing how image processing revolves around sexual imagery. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna

taylorius 5y ago
Lenna is a great image, they shouldn't retire it. it's only her head and shoulders after all, and she looks great. They should get a good looking male photo too, to balance things up - use them both for testing.