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Someone call the waaaaa-mbulance! Patient down. Anything in specific got your goat?

boxed 5y ago
My beef: Before you could looks at a connector and if it fit it worked. Now? Who the he'll knows. It's getting better slowly but it's a mess.
PaulHoule 5y ago
I see many devices where the USB-C connector doesn’t seem securely connected to the circuit board and where there are electrical problems that cause devices to detach. Then there is the ‘twisty little connectors that all look alike’ problem.
- jvanderbot 5y ago
  hardly ignoble-worthy. Sorry to say.
Tsiklon 5y ago
Personally I have a couple of issues with USB-C (and the whole USB Ecosystem as a whole); #1 - the female connector of the port has a circuit board present which may be more readily damaged than a port without it (ala Lightning - which has it's own problems). #2 - Because the USB Standards Committee did not put a mandatory minimum capability on cables using the connector it is impossible to tell at a glance what the capabilities of a cable are, there are no identifying markers - No detail about Power Delivery, data transfer speeds, or which generation of USB it belongs (a Type C - USB 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 4 cable, all look the same at a glance) #3 - the only way to buy the most capable USB-C cable is to give up altogether with looking for a USB-C Cable and to just buy a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 Cable, which isn't even USB! #4 - the USB Standards committee insistence on renaming existing versions of the protocol with the newer standards leads to untold confusion among consumers - Any non-technical person will look at at USB 3.2 Gen 1, USB 3.1 Gen 1, USB 3.0 and believe there is a difference, when they are the same. #5 - The USB Standards Committee insists on naming it's protocol revisions in the least user friendly way possible - I have never once seen a device say it requires a host device with a "SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps" or "SuperSpeed USB 5Gbps" port, coupled with how badly named transfer modes are USB 3.2 Gen 2×2, USB 3.2 Gen 2×1, USB 3.2 Gen 2, USB 3.2 Gen 1 means it is far too easy to trip up on.
- AzN1337c0d3r 5y ago
  > #3 - the only way to buy the most capable USB-C cable is to give up altogether with looking for a USB-C Cable and to just buy a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 Cable, which isn't even USB! The most capable USB-C cable isn't just a TB3 cable. TB3 cables doesn't guarantee USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 support. Nor does it imply USB PD support. Also, does not guarantee Displayport Alt Mode support.
  - rektide 5y ago
    > Nor does it imply USB PD support. All USB-C cables do PD. They all do 20V 3A. ALL OF THEM. This is wrong. What FUD. > TB3 cables doesn't guarantee USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 support. ... Also, does not guarantee Displayport Alt Mode support. There's no mode other than 40Gbps that is official, from what research I've done. But I do see some cables that list as 20Gbps. To me, this seems like a spec violation, but I could be wrong. In practice, nearly all TB3 cables are 40Gbps capable. They will almost completely certainly run USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 more than fine and will run DisplayPort Alt Mode more than fine. They'll do great.
    - AzN1337c0d3r 5y ago
      > All USB-C cables do PD. They all do 20V 3A. ALL OF THEM. This is wrong. What FUD. No you are the one who is wrong. Nothwithstanding optical TB3 cables which can't even carry power, there are a large number of USB-C cables that only do 5V 3A on Amazon such as this one: https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-USB-C-Cable-USB-IF-Certified/dp/B01GGKZ1VA/ref=sr_1_20 https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-USB-C-Cable-USB-IF-Certi... > There's no mode other than 40Gbps that is official, from what research I've done. But I do see some cables that list as 20Gbps. To me, this seems like a spec violation, but I could be wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)#Thunderbolt_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)#Thunde... Intel shipped at least 2 controllers that uses PCIe 3.0 x2, which only allows 20 Gbps. Here is a CERTIFIED TB3 cable only capable of 20 Gbps: https://www.amazon.com/Certified-Cable-Matters-Thunderbolt-USB-C/dp/B01FH7NG8I https://www.amazon.com/Certified-Cable-Matters-Thunderbolt-U... > In practice, nearly all TB3 cables are 40Gbps capable. They will almost completely certainly run USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 more than fine and will run DisplayPort Alt Mode more than fine. They'll do great. No they won't. Some don't even support USB 3.0 (5 Gbps), especially if they are longer than 0.5m. https://tidbits.com/2017/08/23/how-some-thunderbolt-3-cables-underperform-with-usb-only-drives/ https://tidbits.com/2017/08/23/how-some-thunderbolt-3-cables... "Instead of carrying up to 5 Gbps of USB 3.1 Gen 1 data, these active Thunderbolt cables throttle down to USB 2.0 speeds, offering about one-tenth as much throughput."

My beef: Before you could looks at a connector and if it fit it worked. Now? Who the he'll knows. It's getting better slowly but it's a mess.

PaulHoule 5y ago

I see many devices where the USB-C connector doesn’t seem securely connected to the circuit board and where there are electrical problems that cause devices to detach. Then there is the ‘twisty little connectors that all look alike’ problem.

jvanderbot 5y ago
hardly ignoble-worthy. Sorry to say.

Tsiklon 5y ago

Personally I have a couple of issues with USB-C (and the whole USB Ecosystem as a whole); #1 - the female connector of the port has a circuit board present which may be more readily damaged than a port without it (ala Lightning - which has it's own problems). #2 - Because the USB Standards Committee did not put a mandatory minimum capability on cables using the connector it is impossible to tell at a glance what the capabilities of a cable are, there are no identifying markers - No detail about Power Delivery, data transfer speeds, or which generation of USB it belongs (a Type C - USB 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 4 cable, all look the same at a glance) #3 - the only way to buy the most capable USB-C cable is to give up altogether with looking for a USB-C Cable and to just buy a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 Cable, which isn't even USB! #4 - the USB Standards committee insistence on renaming existing versions of the protocol with the newer standards leads to untold confusion among consumers - Any non-technical person will look at at USB 3.2 Gen 1, USB 3.1 Gen 1, USB 3.0 and believe there is a difference, when they are the same. #5 - The USB Standards Committee insists on naming it's protocol revisions in the least user friendly way possible - I have never once seen a device say it requires a host device with a "SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps" or "SuperSpeed USB 5Gbps" port, coupled with how badly named transfer modes are USB 3.2 Gen 2×2, USB 3.2 Gen 2×1, USB 3.2 Gen 2, USB 3.2 Gen 1 means it is far too easy to trip up on.

AzN1337c0d3r 5y ago
> #3 - the only way to buy the most capable USB-C cable is to give up altogether with looking for a USB-C Cable and to just buy a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 Cable, which isn't even USB! The most capable USB-C cable isn't just a TB3 cable. TB3 cables doesn't guarantee USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 support. Nor does it imply USB PD support. Also, does not guarantee Displayport Alt Mode support.
- rektide 5y ago
  > Nor does it imply USB PD support. All USB-C cables do PD. They all do 20V 3A. ALL OF THEM. This is wrong. What FUD. > TB3 cables doesn't guarantee USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 support. ... Also, does not guarantee Displayport Alt Mode support. There's no mode other than 40Gbps that is official, from what research I've done. But I do see some cables that list as 20Gbps. To me, this seems like a spec violation, but I could be wrong. In practice, nearly all TB3 cables are 40Gbps capable. They will almost completely certainly run USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 more than fine and will run DisplayPort Alt Mode more than fine. They'll do great.
  - AzN1337c0d3r 5y ago
    > All USB-C cables do PD. They all do 20V 3A. ALL OF THEM. This is wrong. What FUD. No you are the one who is wrong. Nothwithstanding optical TB3 cables which can't even carry power, there are a large number of USB-C cables that only do 5V 3A on Amazon such as this one: https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-USB-C-Cable-USB-IF-Certified/dp/B01GGKZ1VA/ref=sr_1_20 https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-USB-C-Cable-USB-IF-Certi... > There's no mode other than 40Gbps that is official, from what research I've done. But I do see some cables that list as 20Gbps. To me, this seems like a spec violation, but I could be wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)#Thunderbolt_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)#Thunde... Intel shipped at least 2 controllers that uses PCIe 3.0 x2, which only allows 20 Gbps. Here is a CERTIFIED TB3 cable only capable of 20 Gbps: https://www.amazon.com/Certified-Cable-Matters-Thunderbolt-USB-C/dp/B01FH7NG8I https://www.amazon.com/Certified-Cable-Matters-Thunderbolt-U... > In practice, nearly all TB3 cables are 40Gbps capable. They will almost completely certainly run USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 more than fine and will run DisplayPort Alt Mode more than fine. They'll do great. No they won't. Some don't even support USB 3.0 (5 Gbps), especially if they are longer than 0.5m. https://tidbits.com/2017/08/23/how-some-thunderbolt-3-cables-underperform-with-usb-only-drives/ https://tidbits.com/2017/08/23/how-some-thunderbolt-3-cables... "Instead of carrying up to 5 Gbps of USB 3.1 Gen 1 data, these active Thunderbolt cables throttle down to USB 2.0 speeds, offering about one-tenth as much throughput."