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I don't understand why Dutch leave their home country. It seems so idyllic from the outside! What's San Mateo got that Utrecht doesn't? :-)

littlestymaar 5y ago
> It seems so idyllic The weather isn't. (I don't think it's the main reason for people to leave though)
erwincoumans 5y ago
I made such move, for me it is mostly about more interesting and well paying jobs, and better weather in the Bay area. Visiting NL every summer and hope to return eventually.
Avalaxy 5y ago
For me: almost complete lack of nature (sorry guys, farmlands don't count as "green"), lack of mountains (I love outdoor sports), the depressing weather, the 20% house price increase in one year, the aggressive people who always know everything better (I refer to the large amount of covidiots who only care about themselves). There's plenty to dislike too.
- rambambram 5y ago
  You went to Holland I guess, not to The Netherlands. ;)
  - Avalaxy 5y ago
    Hey, last time I checked Holland was still officially a part of the Netherlands ;)
    - vanderZwan 5y ago
      I thought the "capital of a country/rest of a country"-split was a universal phenomenon, not just a Dutch one :p
      - Cradam 5y ago
        But Holland is like saying Southern England, not the same as saying London
        vanderZwan 5y ago
        It's a bit like this: - Amsterdam thinks the rest of the Netherlands is just greater Amsterdam - the rest of North Holland disagrees - the rest of the Netherlands also disagrees, but thinks the province of North Holland is greater Amsterdam I'm oversimplifying for the sake of a joke of course, but like every good joke there's also a kernel of truth in it.
    - LittlePeter 5y ago
      Then who are the Dutch?
      - Avalaxy 5y ago
        The people who were born in Dutchland of course.
- DandyDev 5y ago
  The "covidiots", as you call them, seem to be everywhere, at least going by what's happening on social media right now. House prices are also a common and global problem. At least in urban areas around the world. The lack of mountains is objectively true. The lack of nature is subjective. If only you dare go outside of the Randstad. I originally lived in Limburg and I now live in Zandvoort. Both have plenty of non-farmland nature. With regards to the bad weather: it only rains for 10% of the time in The Netherlands, so it's not that bad.
  - Avalaxy 5y ago
    > The "covidiots", as you call them, seem to be everywhere, at least going by what's happening on social media right now. We have more of them than others. It's very noticeable when you come back from Italy, France or even Germany how the mentality in the Netherlands is Different. After a week in Italy I have seen 0 people not complying to COVID rules. I'm in the airplane back to NL and immediately I'm greeted with hordes of people wearing chin diapers (and giving you a big mouth if you say something about it). > With regards to the bad weather: it only rains for 10% of the time in The Netherlands It's more the cloudedness. Gloomy days just like this whole week. May not always count as rain, but when it's dark and gray all day, all life is sucked out of me anyway.
    - TomSwirly 5y ago
      Greetz from Amsterdam, and welcome back. A full-spectrum light does wonders, though we had to leave ours behind in the US (120V only).
alamortsubite 5y ago
Hills. I love the Netherlands but the topography would get to me. (I'd take it hands-down over San Mateo, though.)

littlestymaar 5y ago

> It seems so idyllic The weather isn't. (I don't think it's the main reason for people to leave though)

erwincoumans 5y ago

I made such move, for me it is mostly about more interesting and well paying jobs, and better weather in the Bay area. Visiting NL every summer and hope to return eventually.

Avalaxy 5y ago

For me: almost complete lack of nature (sorry guys, farmlands don't count as "green"), lack of mountains (I love outdoor sports), the depressing weather, the 20% house price increase in one year, the aggressive people who always know everything better (I refer to the large amount of covidiots who only care about themselves). There's plenty to dislike too.

rambambram 5y ago
You went to Holland I guess, not to The Netherlands. ;)
- Avalaxy 5y ago
  Hey, last time I checked Holland was still officially a part of the Netherlands ;)
  - vanderZwan 5y ago
    I thought the "capital of a country/rest of a country"-split was a universal phenomenon, not just a Dutch one :p
    - Cradam 5y ago
      But Holland is like saying Southern England, not the same as saying London
      - vanderZwan 5y ago
        It's a bit like this: - Amsterdam thinks the rest of the Netherlands is just greater Amsterdam - the rest of North Holland disagrees - the rest of the Netherlands also disagrees, but thinks the province of North Holland is greater Amsterdam I'm oversimplifying for the sake of a joke of course, but like every good joke there's also a kernel of truth in it.
  - LittlePeter 5y ago
    Then who are the Dutch?
    - Avalaxy 5y ago
      The people who were born in Dutchland of course.
DandyDev 5y ago
The "covidiots", as you call them, seem to be everywhere, at least going by what's happening on social media right now. House prices are also a common and global problem. At least in urban areas around the world. The lack of mountains is objectively true. The lack of nature is subjective. If only you dare go outside of the Randstad. I originally lived in Limburg and I now live in Zandvoort. Both have plenty of non-farmland nature. With regards to the bad weather: it only rains for 10% of the time in The Netherlands, so it's not that bad.
- Avalaxy 5y ago
  > The "covidiots", as you call them, seem to be everywhere, at least going by what's happening on social media right now. We have more of them than others. It's very noticeable when you come back from Italy, France or even Germany how the mentality in the Netherlands is Different. After a week in Italy I have seen 0 people not complying to COVID rules. I'm in the airplane back to NL and immediately I'm greeted with hordes of people wearing chin diapers (and giving you a big mouth if you say something about it). > With regards to the bad weather: it only rains for 10% of the time in The Netherlands It's more the cloudedness. Gloomy days just like this whole week. May not always count as rain, but when it's dark and gray all day, all life is sucked out of me anyway.
  - TomSwirly 5y ago
    Greetz from Amsterdam, and welcome back. A full-spectrum light does wonders, though we had to leave ours behind in the US (120V only).

alamortsubite 5y ago

Hills. I love the Netherlands but the topography would get to me. (I'd take it hands-down over San Mateo, though.)