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How popular are the censorship laws in Japan? Is it like cannabis where the majority is in favor of legalization but politicians are beholden to a vocal minorit

How popular are the censorship laws in Japan? Is it like cannabis where the majority is in favor of legalization but politicians are beholden to a vocal minority? The whole thing seems so dated in the age of the internet. Anyone in Japan can easily access uncensored porn from anywhere else in the world on their phone now. What's the point?

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makeitdouble 5y ago
Am not super versed in the question, but would wager it’s a matter of who’s willing to go fight the status quo to change the law. Contrary to cannabis, there’s no strong science behind decensoring, nor obvious medical use. The field is already under heavy attacks in a lot of fronts, there would be better battles to fight than this one.
- monkeybutton 5y ago
  I would argue that using science to prove cannabis/uncensored nips has benefits as an argument in favor of legalization is wrong. One should not start from the position of a thing being illegal and demanding others to argue for its legalization. The correct approach is to start from the position of a thing being legal, and arguing for it being illegal using science. So, has anyone proven using science that censorship has benefits? Reduces porn addiction? Reduces abuse?
  - kodah 5y ago
    Much of our free speech (and porn laws) are thanks to Larry Flynt. His case rather than being argued through "science" or statistics was argued via innate rights. Whether it's "good" or "bad" is none of society's business, and his case was about establishing the bar where society is allowed to care from a legal perspective. Also worth mentioning that he lost his ability to walk over that case.
    - solarmist 5y ago
      I didn’t know that. Was he attacked by someone due to it?
      - singlow 5y ago
        From Wikipedia: > On March 6, 1978, during a legal battle related to obscenity in Gwinnett County, Georgia, Flynt and his lawyer were shot on the sidewalk in Lawrenceville by Joseph Paul Franklin. The shooting left Flynt partially paralyzed with permanent spinal cord damage, and in need of a wheelchair. >Franklin, a militant white supremacist and serial killer, also shot Vernon Jordan; he targeted other black and Jewish people in a killing spree from 1977–1980. Violently opposed to 'miscegenation,' he confessed to the shootings many years later, claiming he was outraged by an interracial photo shoot in Hustler.[12] About Flynt and a Hustler pictorial, he stated, "I saw that interracial couple ... having sex ... It just made me sick ... I threw the magazine down and thought, I'm gonna kill that guy."[13] Flynt himself suspected the attack was part of a larger conspiracy involving ultra-right elements surrounding U.S. Representative Larry McDonald also behind the Karen Silkwood case with ties to the Intelligence Community and that Franklin may have been subject to MKULTRA-style Mind Control.[14]
        kodah 5y ago
        It's worth noting that after a lot of psychological evaluation that he was deemed a paranoid shizophrenic from years of abuse and starvation at the hands of his mother as a kid. That's detailed on Franklin's Wikipedia page as well.
    - MomoXenosaga 5y ago
      Free speech is one those things everyone pretends to support until someone uses that free speech to do something they disagree with. The mental gymnastics and hypocrisy tends to go off the charts quickly.
      - syshum 5y ago
        I dont think that is limited to free speech, that pretty much applies to all freedoms. The number of people that can separate how they would choose to act, or live their life, and how the law should be applied to people is very slim. Most people want the law to support their choices in life, thus if they don't believe blue cars should exists there should be a law that prohibits blue cars. Over my couple decades of advocacy for more liberty, I have found that in general people do not want liberty, they want validation of their life choices
  - teawrecks 5y ago
    iirc Japan's more conservative laws, including the ones related to porn, originated after WW2 in an attempt to appease the US's Christian sensibilities.

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makeitdouble 5y ago

Am not super versed in the question, but would wager it’s a matter of who’s willing to go fight the status quo to change the law. Contrary to cannabis, there’s no strong science behind decensoring, nor obvious medical use. The field is already under heavy attacks in a lot of fronts, there would be better battles to fight than this one.

monkeybutton 5y ago
I would argue that using science to prove cannabis/uncensored nips has benefits as an argument in favor of legalization is wrong. One should not start from the position of a thing being illegal and demanding others to argue for its legalization. The correct approach is to start from the position of a thing being legal, and arguing for it being illegal using science. So, has anyone proven using science that censorship has benefits? Reduces porn addiction? Reduces abuse?
- kodah 5y ago
  Much of our free speech (and porn laws) are thanks to Larry Flynt. His case rather than being argued through "science" or statistics was argued via innate rights. Whether it's "good" or "bad" is none of society's business, and his case was about establishing the bar where society is allowed to care from a legal perspective. Also worth mentioning that he lost his ability to walk over that case.
  - solarmist 5y ago
    I didn’t know that. Was he attacked by someone due to it?
    - singlow 5y ago
      From Wikipedia: > On March 6, 1978, during a legal battle related to obscenity in Gwinnett County, Georgia, Flynt and his lawyer were shot on the sidewalk in Lawrenceville by Joseph Paul Franklin. The shooting left Flynt partially paralyzed with permanent spinal cord damage, and in need of a wheelchair. >Franklin, a militant white supremacist and serial killer, also shot Vernon Jordan; he targeted other black and Jewish people in a killing spree from 1977–1980. Violently opposed to 'miscegenation,' he confessed to the shootings many years later, claiming he was outraged by an interracial photo shoot in Hustler.[12] About Flynt and a Hustler pictorial, he stated, "I saw that interracial couple ... having sex ... It just made me sick ... I threw the magazine down and thought, I'm gonna kill that guy."[13] Flynt himself suspected the attack was part of a larger conspiracy involving ultra-right elements surrounding U.S. Representative Larry McDonald also behind the Karen Silkwood case with ties to the Intelligence Community and that Franklin may have been subject to MKULTRA-style Mind Control.[14]
      - kodah 5y ago
        It's worth noting that after a lot of psychological evaluation that he was deemed a paranoid shizophrenic from years of abuse and starvation at the hands of his mother as a kid. That's detailed on Franklin's Wikipedia page as well.
  - MomoXenosaga 5y ago
    Free speech is one those things everyone pretends to support until someone uses that free speech to do something they disagree with. The mental gymnastics and hypocrisy tends to go off the charts quickly.
    - syshum 5y ago
      I dont think that is limited to free speech, that pretty much applies to all freedoms. The number of people that can separate how they would choose to act, or live their life, and how the law should be applied to people is very slim. Most people want the law to support their choices in life, thus if they don't believe blue cars should exists there should be a law that prohibits blue cars. Over my couple decades of advocacy for more liberty, I have found that in general people do not want liberty, they want validation of their life choices
- teawrecks 5y ago
  iirc Japan's more conservative laws, including the ones related to porn, originated after WW2 in an attempt to appease the US's Christian sensibilities.