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See comment below about the linked article being part of a misinformation campaign: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29736480 https://news.ycombinator.com/i

by lima 5y ago

See comment below about the linked article being part of a misinformation campaign: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29736480 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29736480

tmikaeld 5y ago
Thanks for pointing it out, I can't edit the comments any more.
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
Hm. Yeah. That may be the case, but IMO it doesn't really matter if the change is anthropogenous, or not. The thing is, there is much wishful thinking in all parties, on every side of the fences. And as it happens, not all of the points raised against the others are invalid. It's just that they are forbidden by groupthink, virtue signalling, and so on. So...in the spirit of considering all options, to get the real big picture, some of them maybe shouldn't be discarded so fast. OFC 'follow the money' should be applied, but still...
- tmikaeld 5y ago
  > 'follow the money' https://www.politico.eu/article/chinese-wind-farm-investments-stoke-concerns-in-sweden/ https://www.politico.eu/article/chinese-wind-farm-investment...
- lima 5y ago
  It's certainly a topic with a lot of nuance, but in this particular case, there's no valid argument made and EIKE is known for deliberate misinformation. There is unanimous scientific consensus (a rare thing!) about climate change being real and anthropogenic. Anyone trying to argue this point in 2021 has no place in a factual debate.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    You know? I know the site by name, mostly by comments from some german sites I visit. Telepolis.de, mostly, but this controversy popped up elsewhere. I just spent about 30 minutes there, and skimmed the headlines, abstracts, and saw they published articles stating climate change is anthropogenic also. Though they stated explicitely that's not 'their' position. Furthermore, one big fart, or many smaller belches of volcanic activity can change/tilt/whatver all the interconnected systems in other ways. Then what? Anyone who argues this, has no place in a marketing-war of ersatz-beliefs. Personally I prefer riding around the Georgia Guidestones on Blucifer. Yeehaaw!
    - lima 5y ago
      I cited sources: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29736480 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29736480
      - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        I opined.

by lima 5y ago

See comment below about the linked article being part of a misinformation campaign: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29736480 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29736480

tmikaeld 5y ago

Thanks for pointing it out, I can't edit the comments any more.

LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago

Hm. Yeah. That may be the case, but IMO it doesn't really matter if the change is anthropogenous, or not. The thing is, there is much wishful thinking in all parties, on every side of the fences. And as it happens, not all of the points raised against the others are invalid. It's just that they are forbidden by groupthink, virtue signalling, and so on. So...in the spirit of considering all options, to get the real big picture, some of them maybe shouldn't be discarded so fast. OFC 'follow the money' should be applied, but still...

tmikaeld 5y ago
> 'follow the money' https://www.politico.eu/article/chinese-wind-farm-investments-stoke-concerns-in-sweden/ https://www.politico.eu/article/chinese-wind-farm-investment...
lima 5y ago
It's certainly a topic with a lot of nuance, but in this particular case, there's no valid argument made and EIKE is known for deliberate misinformation. There is unanimous scientific consensus (a rare thing!) about climate change being real and anthropogenic. Anyone trying to argue this point in 2021 has no place in a factual debate.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  You know? I know the site by name, mostly by comments from some german sites I visit. Telepolis.de, mostly, but this controversy popped up elsewhere. I just spent about 30 minutes there, and skimmed the headlines, abstracts, and saw they published articles stating climate change is anthropogenic also. Though they stated explicitely that's not 'their' position. Furthermore, one big fart, or many smaller belches of volcanic activity can change/tilt/whatver all the interconnected systems in other ways. Then what? Anyone who argues this, has no place in a marketing-war of ersatz-beliefs. Personally I prefer riding around the Georgia Guidestones on Blucifer. Yeehaaw!
  - lima 5y ago
    I cited sources: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29736480 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29736480
    - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
      I opined.