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Mozilla Openness facts

149 points by girishmony 15y ago

MatthewPhillips 15y ago
I find that my posts to their mailing lists don't go through half the time. I have no idea why. I guess my cordial comments fall through the cracks some times.
- DEinspanjer 15y ago
  Don't go through as in a technical problem or don't get a response? I'd be happy to ask around and try to see what might be going on with a technical problem if you send me the details of what happens when you try to post.
  - MatthewPhillips 15y ago
    I'm not sure if it's a technical problem or if it's moderation, but I usually post from my email client and then later look on Google Groups to see if they show up there. Some times they do, some times not. When I post from Google Groups they seem to go through and show up twice, so I try and avoid posting that way.
    - mbrubeck 15y ago
      It's a technical problem. The lists have a weird two-way email/NNTP bridge, and Google Groups is on the NNTP side. Frequently Google Groups falls behind the actual newsgroup, sometimes for several days at a time, e.g. http://bugzil.la/667637 http://bugzil.la/667637 When that happens, you can point an NNTP client (like Thunderbird) at news.mozilla.org to see if your message actually went through.
  - deleted 15y ago
    [deleted]
  - againwiththemoz 15y ago
    Hey, shocker, someone pretending to care in a technically-oriented place. This isn't a sign of the problems at all!
fyoupg 15y ago
Dear, HN Mods, I can outlast you fucking cocksuckers.
its_a_script 15y ago
Do you really think you can beat the truth? Plus 2k VMs?
its_a_script 15y ago
And it will continue to work for at least 48 hours. I have more money than you have time, you fucking pussies.
another_choice 15y ago
It's a question of when my algorithms fail.. not when I run out of resources. Markov chainers beat your fucktardedness.
u48998 15y ago
I love and trust Firefox,
waitwhat 15y ago
This built-in firefox page was new to me... about:crashes
- paulirish 15y ago
  Chrome has an about:crashes as well; but more importantly, both browsers have an about:about, which list all their about pages.
  - BoppreH 15y ago
    Opera has an about:about, but it doesn't list all about:X pages. It does gives version information, browser identification and folders where it has files (that one is very handy). And a few pages of licenses.
- nuclear_eclipse 15y ago
  It's also available in Chrome, although when I try to open it on my account, it says crash reporting is disabled.
- ElbertF 15y ago
  See about:about for all of them.
lovskogen 15y ago
Video shows tab in a browser as innovation from Mozilla. Opera anyone?
- gcp 15y ago
  Eh, nope. The history of tabbed browsing is complicated. Neither Opera nor Firefox were the first to start using it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbed_browsing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbed_browsing You could say that Firefox brought it to the mainstream, as for many people that was the first introduction to it.
  - derrida 15y ago
    So Mozilla is jwz's name for the Netscape code that they open sourced. Does anybody know if there is a continual code-base going back through Firefox to Mozilla to Netscape to Mosaic? In which case, they could claim, they invented it all.
    - pbiggar 15y ago
      From my vague understanding of the history, Mozilla code goes all the way to Netscape. I think Netscape did a giant rewrite, so it probably doesn't go back further. Technically, firefox is the browser front-end to the Mozilla codebase, and Thunderbird is another front-end of the same product. I think what used to be called the Mozilla suite is now seamonkey. So I think it all comes from the Netscape release. Certainly, whenever I touch the build system, the copyright notices are from 1998, say Netscape and mention jwz. Example: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in
    - carussell 15y ago
      There isn't. jwz mentions that he was unsuccessful lobbying the release of the 3.0 source.[1] For the purposes of this discussion (since you only ask about the browser here), according to Brendan, 4 was like 3.[2] Seibel mentions there that Brendan says he tried to get it released, too. The big rewrite that everybody talks about is Gecko (under the stewardship of Gessner, I think), when 5 got ditched and the next release jumped to 6. It's still listed on the MXR homepage (under Classic). Then, ho-ho, there came another new flavor at the genesis of Firefox proper, Aviary, which is also indexed on MXR. I don't know what sets it apart from pre-Aviary besides that it ditched the old XPInstall stuff. (Yeah, XPIs still exist, but most people don't realize that's not XPInstall anymore. That's the new-ish "toolkit" install system.) 1. http://www.jwz.org/blog/2009/09/that-duct-tape-silliness/ http://www.jwz.org/blog/2009/09/that-duct-tape-silliness/ 2. http://gigamonkeys.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/two-rewrites-redux/ http://gigamonkeys.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/two-rewrites-red...
quinndupont 15y ago
Ah heck, Mozilla really is a better organization than Google. That's it, I'm switching off of Chrome and going back to Firefox.
- Locke1689 15y ago
  Ironic, considering they are largely funded by Google and the other search engines.

149 points by girishmony 15y ago

I find that my posts to their mailing lists don't go through half the time. I have no idea why. I guess my cordial comments fall through the cracks some times.

DEinspanjer 15y ago
Don't go through as in a technical problem or don't get a response? I'd be happy to ask around and try to see what might be going on with a technical problem if you send me the details of what happens when you try to post.
- MatthewPhillips 15y ago
  I'm not sure if it's a technical problem or if it's moderation, but I usually post from my email client and then later look on Google Groups to see if they show up there. Some times they do, some times not. When I post from Google Groups they seem to go through and show up twice, so I try and avoid posting that way.
  - mbrubeck 15y ago
    It's a technical problem. The lists have a weird two-way email/NNTP bridge, and Google Groups is on the NNTP side. Frequently Google Groups falls behind the actual newsgroup, sometimes for several days at a time, e.g. http://bugzil.la/667637 http://bugzil.la/667637 When that happens, you can point an NNTP client (like Thunderbird) at news.mozilla.org to see if your message actually went through.
- deleted 15y ago
  [deleted]
- againwiththemoz 15y ago
  Hey, shocker, someone pretending to care in a technically-oriented place. This isn't a sign of the problems at all!

fyoupg 15y ago

Dear, HN Mods, I can outlast you fucking cocksuckers.

its_a_script 15y ago

Do you really think you can beat the truth? Plus 2k VMs?

its_a_script 15y ago

And it will continue to work for at least 48 hours. I have more money than you have time, you fucking pussies.

another_choice 15y ago

It's a question of when my algorithms fail.. not when I run out of resources. Markov chainers beat your fucktardedness.

u48998 15y ago

I love and trust Firefox,

waitwhat 15y ago

This built-in firefox page was new to me... about:crashes

paulirish 15y ago
Chrome has an about:crashes as well; but more importantly, both browsers have an about:about, which list all their about pages.
- BoppreH 15y ago
  Opera has an about:about, but it doesn't list all about:X pages. It does gives version information, browser identification and folders where it has files (that one is very handy). And a few pages of licenses.
nuclear_eclipse 15y ago
It's also available in Chrome, although when I try to open it on my account, it says crash reporting is disabled.
ElbertF 15y ago
See about:about for all of them.

lovskogen 15y ago

Video shows tab in a browser as innovation from Mozilla. Opera anyone?

gcp 15y ago
Eh, nope. The history of tabbed browsing is complicated. Neither Opera nor Firefox were the first to start using it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbed_browsing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbed_browsing You could say that Firefox brought it to the mainstream, as for many people that was the first introduction to it.
- derrida 15y ago
  So Mozilla is jwz's name for the Netscape code that they open sourced. Does anybody know if there is a continual code-base going back through Firefox to Mozilla to Netscape to Mosaic? In which case, they could claim, they invented it all.
  - pbiggar 15y ago
    From my vague understanding of the history, Mozilla code goes all the way to Netscape. I think Netscape did a giant rewrite, so it probably doesn't go back further. Technically, firefox is the browser front-end to the Mozilla codebase, and Thunderbird is another front-end of the same product. I think what used to be called the Mozilla suite is now seamonkey. So I think it all comes from the Netscape release. Certainly, whenever I touch the build system, the copyright notices are from 1998, say Netscape and mention jwz. Example: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in
  - carussell 15y ago
    There isn't. jwz mentions that he was unsuccessful lobbying the release of the 3.0 source.[1] For the purposes of this discussion (since you only ask about the browser here), according to Brendan, 4 was like 3.[2] Seibel mentions there that Brendan says he tried to get it released, too. The big rewrite that everybody talks about is Gecko (under the stewardship of Gessner, I think), when 5 got ditched and the next release jumped to 6. It's still listed on the MXR homepage (under Classic). Then, ho-ho, there came another new flavor at the genesis of Firefox proper, Aviary, which is also indexed on MXR. I don't know what sets it apart from pre-Aviary besides that it ditched the old XPInstall stuff. (Yeah, XPIs still exist, but most people don't realize that's not XPInstall anymore. That's the new-ish "toolkit" install system.) 1. http://www.jwz.org/blog/2009/09/that-duct-tape-silliness/ http://www.jwz.org/blog/2009/09/that-duct-tape-silliness/ 2. http://gigamonkeys.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/two-rewrites-redux/ http://gigamonkeys.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/two-rewrites-red...

quinndupont 15y ago

Ah heck, Mozilla really is a better organization than Google. That's it, I'm switching off of Chrome and going back to Firefox.

Locke1689 15y ago
Ironic, considering they are largely funded by Google and the other search engines.