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Sad that the extremely high taxes (and price rises) on electricity in Sweden mean diesel cars are still cheaper in some parts of the country. We should push fo

Sad that the extremely high taxes (and price rises) on electricity in Sweden mean diesel cars are still cheaper in some parts of the country. We should push for all vehicles in cities to be electric at least. The Tesla 3, Honda E, etc. are perfect for that.

rekoil 5y ago
Don't forget Polestar 2, those are selling like hot-cakes as well.
- wmli 5y ago
  Only 4.5k registered in Sweden atm. So no not really? https://www.car.info/en-se/polestar/stats?from=2020-01&to=2021-12&vd=1.2.3.4&tcs=registered&tcg=registered&tcf=registered&tci= https://www.car.info/en-se/polestar/stats?from=2020-01&to=20...
  - wasmitnetzen 5y ago
    Even amongst EVs only the brand only makes 9th place. https://www.car.info/en-se/stats/?from=2020-01&to=2021-12&vd=1.2.3.4&et0=3&tcb=registered&tcs=registered&tcf=registered https://www.car.info/en-se/stats/?from=2020-01&to=2021-12&vd...
- hajhatten 5y ago
  Well deserved as well. They are really nice cars!
progre 5y ago
> Sad that the extremely high taxes (and price rises) on electricity in Sweden mean diesel cars are still cheaper in some parts of the country Average power consumption for an EV is 0.2 kWh/km. The current (very high) price of 1.5 SEK/kWh gives a price of about 3 SEK per 10 Km for an EV. Diesel price in Sweden right now is about 18 SEK/Liter (also a record high). A good diesel car needs maybe 0.7 liters per 10 Km => 12.6 SEK per 10 Km for a diesel car. So an EV is still more than 4 times cheaper when comparing the cost to power the car.
- yobbo 5y ago
  > The current (very high) price of 1.5 SEK/kWh The average December price was around 2 SEK/kWh in southern Sweden, which after net fees/tax/vat is around 3 SEK/kWh for home charging. Assuming a charging efficiency of 85%, and Tesla given range numbers are accurate, that should give around 6 SEK/10Km. But actual range should decrease in winter weather. > A good diesel car needs maybe 0.7 liters per 10 Km An efficient diesel is around 0.5l/10Km depending on driving style. So it's close to parity with electric at the moment.
wasmitnetzen 5y ago
The unit price per kWh is quite low in Sweden though, the base price (network fees etc) is the big part. In September, I used 75 kWh, and paid 4.5kr/kWh[1] (exchange rate to € is about 10:1, so this comes out to 0,45€), in November, with higher unit prices, I paid 3,4kr/kWh for 236 kWh[2] (about 0,34€) since the base price distributes over more usage. Per-unit price is about 1kr/kWh, so an efficient EV at 30kWh/100 km comes out to 30kr/100km, while an efficient ICE at 5l/100km comes out to 80kr/100km (at the current price of about 17kr/l). It's not like gas is cheap here and taxed low. [1]: 119kr for the usage, 222 kr for the network [2]: 335kr for the usage, 222 kr for the network
- progre 5y ago
  I tried the same calculation, nice to see that we are in the same ballpark at least
matsemann 5y ago
Most cars sold in Norway are now electric. Not the solution to anything, though. The end goal should be to rid cities of cars, and make it easier for people to walk, ride a bike or take public transport. Better for the grid, environment, noise, health, communities etc.

rekoil 5y ago

Don't forget Polestar 2, those are selling like hot-cakes as well.

wmli 5y ago
Only 4.5k registered in Sweden atm. So no not really? https://www.car.info/en-se/polestar/stats?from=2020-01&to=2021-12&vd=1.2.3.4&tcs=registered&tcg=registered&tcf=registered&tci= https://www.car.info/en-se/polestar/stats?from=2020-01&to=20...
- wasmitnetzen 5y ago
  Even amongst EVs only the brand only makes 9th place. https://www.car.info/en-se/stats/?from=2020-01&to=2021-12&vd=1.2.3.4&et0=3&tcb=registered&tcs=registered&tcf=registered https://www.car.info/en-se/stats/?from=2020-01&to=2021-12&vd...
hajhatten 5y ago
Well deserved as well. They are really nice cars!

progre 5y ago

> Sad that the extremely high taxes (and price rises) on electricity in Sweden mean diesel cars are still cheaper in some parts of the country Average power consumption for an EV is 0.2 kWh/km. The current (very high) price of 1.5 SEK/kWh gives a price of about 3 SEK per 10 Km for an EV. Diesel price in Sweden right now is about 18 SEK/Liter (also a record high). A good diesel car needs maybe 0.7 liters per 10 Km => 12.6 SEK per 10 Km for a diesel car. So an EV is still more than 4 times cheaper when comparing the cost to power the car.

yobbo 5y ago
> The current (very high) price of 1.5 SEK/kWh The average December price was around 2 SEK/kWh in southern Sweden, which after net fees/tax/vat is around 3 SEK/kWh for home charging. Assuming a charging efficiency of 85%, and Tesla given range numbers are accurate, that should give around 6 SEK/10Km. But actual range should decrease in winter weather. > A good diesel car needs maybe 0.7 liters per 10 Km An efficient diesel is around 0.5l/10Km depending on driving style. So it's close to parity with electric at the moment.

wasmitnetzen 5y ago

The unit price per kWh is quite low in Sweden though, the base price (network fees etc) is the big part. In September, I used 75 kWh, and paid 4.5kr/kWh[1] (exchange rate to € is about 10:1, so this comes out to 0,45€), in November, with higher unit prices, I paid 3,4kr/kWh for 236 kWh[2] (about 0,34€) since the base price distributes over more usage. Per-unit price is about 1kr/kWh, so an efficient EV at 30kWh/100 km comes out to 30kr/100km, while an efficient ICE at 5l/100km comes out to 80kr/100km (at the current price of about 17kr/l). It's not like gas is cheap here and taxed low. [1]: 119kr for the usage, 222 kr for the network [2]: 335kr for the usage, 222 kr for the network

progre 5y ago
I tried the same calculation, nice to see that we are in the same ballpark at least

matsemann 5y ago

Most cars sold in Norway are now electric. Not the solution to anything, though. The end goal should be to rid cities of cars, and make it easier for people to walk, ride a bike or take public transport. Better for the grid, environment, noise, health, communities etc.