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I’m especially annoyed by the data centers. The politicians got taken for a ride, trading precious gigawatts of electrical infrastructure for a few dozens of jo

I’m especially annoyed by the data centers. The politicians got taken for a ride, trading precious gigawatts of electrical infrastructure for a few dozens of jobs and a photo-op with a tier 3 VP from MANGA.

konschubert 5y ago
Sweden is a great place to produce hydro and wind. They should do more of that and then charge a good price for it. No need to be annoyed.
- brtkdotse 5y ago
  Hydro capacity is at max right now. The generation is less of a problem than transmission, a lot of new infrastructure needs to be built because data centers are hogging a lot of it. Oh, and the data center owners got a tax rebate on the electricity: > Sweden’s 2017 tax reform made a 97% tax cut on any electricity used by datacentres, which had the potential to reduce an individual datacentre’s total electricity bill by up to 40%. The country’s ministry of enterprise and innovation estimates that the datacentre industry saved €44m in energy consumption costs in 2018 because of the tax reduction. https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252466488/Tax-changes-lead-to-review-of-Swedens-datacentre-development?amp=1 https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252466488/Tax-changes-le...
  - b112 5y ago
    EU wants local datacentres, so EU data is local. Infrastructure remains (fibre, buildings) even if corps leave in a few years. It is hard to insist data be local, then make it less competitive to build local. This deal you cite, may address that.
    - brtkdotse 5y ago
      > EU wants local datacentres, so EU data is local. Not 100% up to speed but didn’t SCHREMS II basically say that a local data center isn’t enough?
      - rekoil 5y ago
        Yes, however it's pretty certainly going to be a part of the final answer to that question. Thus we're still going to want local datacentres, but maybe we will require that they are run by EU headquartered companies that don't report to foreign conglomerates. I can't 100% know this of course but it seems fairly obvious to me.

konschubert 5y ago

Sweden is a great place to produce hydro and wind. They should do more of that and then charge a good price for it. No need to be annoyed.

brtkdotse 5y ago
Hydro capacity is at max right now. The generation is less of a problem than transmission, a lot of new infrastructure needs to be built because data centers are hogging a lot of it. Oh, and the data center owners got a tax rebate on the electricity: > Sweden’s 2017 tax reform made a 97% tax cut on any electricity used by datacentres, which had the potential to reduce an individual datacentre’s total electricity bill by up to 40%. The country’s ministry of enterprise and innovation estimates that the datacentre industry saved €44m in energy consumption costs in 2018 because of the tax reduction. https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252466488/Tax-changes-lead-to-review-of-Swedens-datacentre-development?amp=1 https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252466488/Tax-changes-le...
- b112 5y ago
  EU wants local datacentres, so EU data is local. Infrastructure remains (fibre, buildings) even if corps leave in a few years. It is hard to insist data be local, then make it less competitive to build local. This deal you cite, may address that.
  - brtkdotse 5y ago
    > EU wants local datacentres, so EU data is local. Not 100% up to speed but didn’t SCHREMS II basically say that a local data center isn’t enough?
    - rekoil 5y ago
      Yes, however it's pretty certainly going to be a part of the final answer to that question. Thus we're still going to want local datacentres, but maybe we will require that they are run by EU headquartered companies that don't report to foreign conglomerates. I can't 100% know this of course but it seems fairly obvious to me.