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> We want more women to find a career at Northvolt. That’s why we ask permission to track your visit at northvolt.com (read more here). Commendable, if true. W

> We want more women to find a career at Northvolt. That’s why we ask permission to track your visit at northvolt.com (read more here). Commendable, if true. Was hoping to read an explanation in the link but it just showed the privacy policy. Disappointing.

luckylion 5y ago
Good catch. That's great framing for a cookie consent. And you're also not rejecting Cookies, you're refusing them.
drakonka 5y ago
Yeah, that was weird. What do their cookie policies have to do with helping women find a career at Northvolt? A quick search for related keywords on their privacy policy page reveals nothing on the topic. That aside, I'm really excited about Northvolt and what they're doing, it sounds like really interesting work.
- brtkdotse 5y ago
  Google Analytics gives you demographic data like gender. I guess that could be leveraged to target job ads but the fact they didn’t even bother putting up an explanation tells me it’s just guilt tripping you into accepting cookies.
  - drakonka 5y ago
    I didn't _think_ GA provided a mechanism for a site owner to target a user in real time based on their gender though. I just assumed everyone got the same popup regardless of gender.
  - wongarsu 5y ago
    > I guess that could be leveraged to target job ads That sounds like a great way to be mentioned in the news next to the words "discrimination lawsuit"
    - matsemann 5y ago
      Not if it's done to actually make sure listings are viewed by a representative group of people in the industry. Don't always assume the worst. If anything, most companies have huge biases in the way they conduct recruiting. Take home tasks excludes those taking care of a child alone in larger degree than other groups for instance, posting listings only on HN would skew the people applying heavily. Etc etc. Making sure you've reached all groups is actually laudable.
Orphis 5y ago
At the same time, a friend who interviewed there got told "You need to work hard and probably on evenings and weekends too". Not a big selling point in Sweden where work / life balance is important (especially to those having or wanting a family).
- VadimPR 5y ago
  Isn't one of the execs ex-Musk employee? Sad to see this culture creeping into EU.
  - zibzab 5y ago
    Oh, he is very much imitating Musk. Inhumane working conditions, getting tons of money from the government, toxic work environment, ignoring OSHA, you name it. Was just recently investigated for sneaking in unregistered immigrant workers into their facility. Obviously they were working extremely long hours + weekends for peanuts while sidestepping all safety rules.
    - maxdo 5y ago
      has nothing to do with Tesla. Long hours yes, but a paid one, so it's a decision made by workers. Nothing wrong with that.
      - kwhitefoot 5y ago
        > Long hours yes, but a paid one, so it's a decision made by workers. Nothing wrong with that. Not in the EU generally, and especially not in Scandinavia. At least in Norway working overtime is only allowed up to a legally specified limit, even if you volunteer for it. The limit is 400 hours per 52 weeks and that will require permission from the Labour Inspection Authority (Arbeidstilsynet). See https://www.arbeidstilsynet.no/en/working-conditions/working-hours/overtime/ https://www.arbeidstilsynet.no/en/working-conditions/working...
      - drakonka 5y ago
        That's not how it works. We have employee protections that are intended to prevent exploitation. If those are failing, there is definitely something wrong with that.
anticristi 5y ago
Feels like classic confirmshaming. I wonder if we should raise a flag with IMY.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  Oh that's a dark pattern I wasn't aware of. Thank you!

luckylion 5y ago

Good catch. That's great framing for a cookie consent. And you're also not rejecting Cookies, you're refusing them.

drakonka 5y ago

Yeah, that was weird. What do their cookie policies have to do with helping women find a career at Northvolt? A quick search for related keywords on their privacy policy page reveals nothing on the topic. That aside, I'm really excited about Northvolt and what they're doing, it sounds like really interesting work.

brtkdotse 5y ago
Google Analytics gives you demographic data like gender. I guess that could be leveraged to target job ads but the fact they didn’t even bother putting up an explanation tells me it’s just guilt tripping you into accepting cookies.
- drakonka 5y ago
  I didn't _think_ GA provided a mechanism for a site owner to target a user in real time based on their gender though. I just assumed everyone got the same popup regardless of gender.
- wongarsu 5y ago
  > I guess that could be leveraged to target job ads That sounds like a great way to be mentioned in the news next to the words "discrimination lawsuit"
  - matsemann 5y ago
    Not if it's done to actually make sure listings are viewed by a representative group of people in the industry. Don't always assume the worst. If anything, most companies have huge biases in the way they conduct recruiting. Take home tasks excludes those taking care of a child alone in larger degree than other groups for instance, posting listings only on HN would skew the people applying heavily. Etc etc. Making sure you've reached all groups is actually laudable.

Orphis 5y ago

At the same time, a friend who interviewed there got told "You need to work hard and probably on evenings and weekends too". Not a big selling point in Sweden where work / life balance is important (especially to those having or wanting a family).

VadimPR 5y ago
Isn't one of the execs ex-Musk employee? Sad to see this culture creeping into EU.
- zibzab 5y ago
  Oh, he is very much imitating Musk. Inhumane working conditions, getting tons of money from the government, toxic work environment, ignoring OSHA, you name it. Was just recently investigated for sneaking in unregistered immigrant workers into their facility. Obviously they were working extremely long hours + weekends for peanuts while sidestepping all safety rules.
  - maxdo 5y ago
    has nothing to do with Tesla. Long hours yes, but a paid one, so it's a decision made by workers. Nothing wrong with that.
    - kwhitefoot 5y ago
      > Long hours yes, but a paid one, so it's a decision made by workers. Nothing wrong with that. Not in the EU generally, and especially not in Scandinavia. At least in Norway working overtime is only allowed up to a legally specified limit, even if you volunteer for it. The limit is 400 hours per 52 weeks and that will require permission from the Labour Inspection Authority (Arbeidstilsynet). See https://www.arbeidstilsynet.no/en/working-conditions/working-hours/overtime/ https://www.arbeidstilsynet.no/en/working-conditions/working...
    - drakonka 5y ago
      That's not how it works. We have employee protections that are intended to prevent exploitation. If those are failing, there is definitely something wrong with that.

anticristi 5y ago

Feels like classic confirmshaming. I wonder if we should raise a flag with IMY.

jacquesm 5y ago
Oh that's a dark pattern I wasn't aware of. Thank you!