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> suicide as one of a few strategies to deal with everyday problems. That’s as much a solution to everyday problems as nuking the entire planet and the human r

> suicide as one of a few strategies to deal with everyday problems. That’s as much a solution to everyday problems as nuking the entire planet and the human race out of a existence is a solution to, say, Covid or hunger.

xapata 5y ago
Indeed. Thus we describe that experience as mental illness.
- birksherty 5y ago
  Why is wanting to stop pain and trauma is illness and wanting to continue in more of that useless suffering is normal? I am not talking about privileged here but most people who struggle whole life in world.
  - xapata 5y ago
    Because if suicide were typical, humanity wouldn't exist. Mental illness is merely abnormality, not necessarily something ethically wrong or illogical given one's a priori beliefs.
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    - birksherty 5y ago
      > Mental illness is merely abnormality, not necessarily something ethically wrong or illogical given one's a priori beliefs. I agree, but what you're saying is not how the world see it. Many things that make humans exists are not necessary or makes life difficult now anyway. Like phobias, vomiting while travelling by car, allergies etc.
birksherty 5y ago
Nuking planet is different as it will nuke all other species. Removing only humans is a solution that actually works for better of everything else things. Life is constant struggle for most humans (not talking about privileged here). In the end we all die horribly going through all that trauma, so peaceful suicide like hypoxia may be a solution to stop the suffering.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
The thing about everyday problems is that they are every day. It isn't just looking at having to do your homework today, it's having to do your homework tomorrow, the day after that, and the day after that, out into what may as well be infinity. Homework isn't a great example, but you can substitute anything that causes you suffering. For me, a lot of it is about my weight. I went through more suffering than most people can imagine to lose more than half of my bodyweight, and I was pretty happy with the result... until I started letting myself do the things I'd had to give up to get there: eating out with friends (or even attending any event with food), not doing intense workouts more than 3 days a week, having the occasional snack, eating something other than protein bars every meal, etc. My weight started increasing, naturally, and I realized: I never get to stop going through all that suffering if I want to maintain my weight. Ever. Ever. And without being able to maintain that weight I instead get to feel like a fat piece of shit for the rest of my life instead. Given those two options, the idea of just ending my life here and now doesn't seem so bad.

xapata 5y ago

Indeed. Thus we describe that experience as mental illness.

birksherty 5y ago
Why is wanting to stop pain and trauma is illness and wanting to continue in more of that useless suffering is normal? I am not talking about privileged here but most people who struggle whole life in world.
- xapata 5y ago
  Because if suicide were typical, humanity wouldn't exist. Mental illness is merely abnormality, not necessarily something ethically wrong or illogical given one's a priori beliefs.
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  - birksherty 5y ago
    > Mental illness is merely abnormality, not necessarily something ethically wrong or illogical given one's a priori beliefs. I agree, but what you're saying is not how the world see it. Many things that make humans exists are not necessary or makes life difficult now anyway. Like phobias, vomiting while travelling by car, allergies etc.

birksherty 5y ago

Nuking planet is different as it will nuke all other species. Removing only humans is a solution that actually works for better of everything else things. Life is constant struggle for most humans (not talking about privileged here). In the end we all die horribly going through all that trauma, so peaceful suicide like hypoxia may be a solution to stop the suffering.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

The thing about everyday problems is that they are every day. It isn't just looking at having to do your homework today, it's having to do your homework tomorrow, the day after that, and the day after that, out into what may as well be infinity. Homework isn't a great example, but you can substitute anything that causes you suffering. For me, a lot of it is about my weight. I went through more suffering than most people can imagine to lose more than half of my bodyweight, and I was pretty happy with the result... until I started letting myself do the things I'd had to give up to get there: eating out with friends (or even attending any event with food), not doing intense workouts more than 3 days a week, having the occasional snack, eating something other than protein bars every meal, etc. My weight started increasing, naturally, and I realized: I never get to stop going through all that suffering if I want to maintain my weight. Ever. Ever. And without being able to maintain that weight I instead get to feel like a fat piece of shit for the rest of my life instead. Given those two options, the idea of just ending my life here and now doesn't seem so bad.