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It took me a while to realize that most people don't consider suicide as one of a few strategies to deal with everyday problems. Thought process: I don't want
by xapata 5y ago
It took me a while to realize that most people don't consider suicide as one of a few strategies to deal with everyday problems. Thought process: I don't want to do my homework. I could (A) get up and do it, or (B) kill myself. Happily, I've learned to dissociate myself from the part of my consciousness that thinks that way.
- 1MachineElf 5y agoI'm dealing with something like this too. It's come up a lot while watching shows where some protagonist's friend turns psychotic and they suddenly must fight to survive. I keep thinking to myself, "just give up and let them kill you, it will be better that way!" I can't quite pinpoint the theme that seems to permeate all of these and how much of it is my own perspective versus some specific genre. I think of it a lot while watching The Future Diary, and also Higurashi: When They Cry.
- beginnercounter 5y ago
- DJBunnies 5y agoOr, you could try to be nicer when somebody makes themselves vulnerable to you.
- totololo 5y agoSo indelicately put.. Comes across (to my Euro mind) as an order doubled with an insult.
- ctdonath 5y agoWhen the target of your objectively reasonable directive is self-admittedly of the mindset "I could (A) get up and do it, or (B) kill myself", you may want to reconsider the wording.
- xapata 5y agoDon't worry, I'm pretty stable these days. And seeing a therapist helped. To your point, it was someone else who booked the first appointment for me. So, if you know someone who might benefit, it'd be good to help them out with the process of finding a therapist.
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- ornornor 5y ago> suicide as one of a few strategies to deal with everyday problems. That’s as much a solution to everyday problems as nuking the entire planet and the human race out of a existence is a solution to, say, Covid or hunger.
- xapata 5y agoIndeed. Thus we describe that experience as mental illness.
- birksherty 5y agoWhy is wanting to stop pain and trauma is illness and wanting to continue in more of that useless suffering is normal? I am not talking about privileged here but most people who struggle whole life in world.
- xapata 5y agoBecause if suicide were typical, humanity wouldn't exist. Mental illness is merely abnormality, not necessarily something ethically wrong or illogical given one's a priori beliefs.
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- birksherty 5y ago> Mental illness is merely abnormality, not necessarily something ethically wrong or illogical given one's a priori beliefs. I agree, but what you're saying is not how the world see it. Many things that make humans exists are not necessary or makes life difficult now anyway. Like phobias, vomiting while travelling by car, allergies etc.
- birksherty 5y agoNuking planet is different as it will nuke all other species. Removing only humans is a solution that actually works for better of everything else things. Life is constant struggle for most humans (not talking about privileged here). In the end we all die horribly going through all that trauma, so peaceful suicide like hypoxia may be a solution to stop the suffering.
- fouc 5y agoGiven those two options, I'd end up choosing A. So thinking of B would actually be motivating. It wouldn't feel suicidal to think of both of those options.
- xapata 5y agoThe mental illness is when option B in this example seems preferable to small inconveniences and embarrassments, and when one doesn't think of things like, (C) forget about it and go hang out with some friends.
- birksherty 5y agoLife is full of small inconveniences and big ones time to time. It's not just one small one. So wanting to stop all that should not be considered illness, but forcing to continue the pain and trauma should be. Life is ultimately a meaningless thing, and most people suffer for it. Some people are privileged and they decide what is illness and what is not based on their own life. One has to work 9-5 whole life that slowly kills their health and die horribly. That's normal, but if one does not want to continue that, it's illness. One must suffer. There is no other way whatever people here says, the real world does not work in any other way.
- xapata 5y agoYou're just arguing the semantics of "illness". Call it atypical thought if you prefer.
- birksherty 5y agoSemantics changes everything here and that's how everyone perceives things.
- Archien 5y agoMy thinking is slightly different in this case then yours: Ending it today will stop having to do x today, tomorrow and rest of my life. So it's not just the homework of the day. But due to my thinking I would also not just go without consuming my money and doing only what I want as long as possible as it also freed me from certain social boundaries. Like suicide is bad, you need to work, lifing as long as possible is good etc.
- foobarian 5y agoMy thinking was always comparing it to a crappy movie at a middle of nowhere theater. Sure the movie may be bad, but it still beats getting up and leaving.
- Archien 5y agoHow many bad movies you gonna watch until standing up and leaving becomes the better choice? One problem might also be that in my opinion lifing as long as possible is not the right answer. I'm not life positive like independent how shitty your life is as long as you are alive is good. Now the question arrives what is a good time to leave.having already seen and done more than any other human who lived 50 years ago already puts me ahead on a experience level . So determine this answer is open for me to decide. Not having kids and not planning some right now also makes me more 'flexible'