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Note that this is an enhancement to an existing therapy. Depending on where you are in the world and the healthcare providers you have access to, the existing

by jcims 5y ago

Note that this is an enhancement to an existing therapy. Depending on where you are in the world and the healthcare providers you have access to, the existing therapy called Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS) may be an option.

carabiner 5y ago
Some TMS clinics are offering the SAINT protocol off-label. Not covered by insurance of course, supposedly runs around $6k.
- jcims 5y ago
  There's a used TMS machine on ebay for $8k (and $70k) and clinical instruction videos on YouTube. Could be a good side hustle haha. Unfortunately for SAINT it looks like you also need fMRI to correctly target the therapy...that's going to be a bit tougher to DIY.
  - witheld 5y ago
    Just start the process, get the fMRI scan, pay for that, and request a copy and bail.
    - tgv 5y ago
      For those taking this seriously: fMRI requires careful presentation of stimuli and a complex analysis. It’s not just a scan. I doubt you can get that at Scans’R’Us.
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- jokowueu 5y ago
  Can you please provide some links to said providers . I wasn't able to find any. Just some that mention it
  - carabiner 5y ago
    This one in Georgia: https://rejuvenatetms.com/blog/ https://rejuvenatetms.com/blog/ You can also search this TMS FB group https://www.facebook.com/groups/285541688306686 https://www.facebook.com/groups/285541688306686 for "saint" and find other people's experiences. Edit: Apparently, the clinics that claim to be offering it might just be doing something that is loosely based on what is publicly known about the SAINT protocol. Dr. Nolan Williams hasn't released full details, so it's not possible for clinics to replicate it exactly. This clinic https://www.cambridgebiotherapies.com/accelerated-tms/ https://www.cambridgebiotherapies.com/accelerated-tms/ talks about how they've tried to reverse engineer the protocol at the bottom.

by jcims 5y ago

carabiner 5y ago

Some TMS clinics are offering the SAINT protocol off-label. Not covered by insurance of course, supposedly runs around $6k.

jcims 5y ago
There's a used TMS machine on ebay for $8k (and $70k) and clinical instruction videos on YouTube. Could be a good side hustle haha. Unfortunately for SAINT it looks like you also need fMRI to correctly target the therapy...that's going to be a bit tougher to DIY.
- witheld 5y ago
  Just start the process, get the fMRI scan, pay for that, and request a copy and bail.
  - tgv 5y ago
    For those taking this seriously: fMRI requires careful presentation of stimuli and a complex analysis. It’s not just a scan. I doubt you can get that at Scans’R’Us.
    - deleted 5y ago
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jokowueu 5y ago
Can you please provide some links to said providers . I wasn't able to find any. Just some that mention it
- carabiner 5y ago
  This one in Georgia: https://rejuvenatetms.com/blog/ https://rejuvenatetms.com/blog/ You can also search this TMS FB group https://www.facebook.com/groups/285541688306686 https://www.facebook.com/groups/285541688306686 for "saint" and find other people's experiences. Edit: Apparently, the clinics that claim to be offering it might just be doing something that is loosely based on what is publicly known about the SAINT protocol. Dr. Nolan Williams hasn't released full details, so it's not possible for clinics to replicate it exactly. This clinic https://www.cambridgebiotherapies.com/accelerated-tms/ https://www.cambridgebiotherapies.com/accelerated-tms/ talks about how they've tried to reverse engineer the protocol at the bottom.