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> Why does entertainment need public funding? You know that CBC isn't all about entertainment, but also hires a lot of journalists, right? And I don't see Disn

by m-p-3 5y ago

> Why does entertainment need public funding? You know that CBC isn't all about entertainment, but also hires a lot of journalists, right? And I don't see Disney or Marvel making content with the Canadian culture and heritage in mind.

908B64B197 5y ago
> but also hires a lot of journalists, right? That... weird. Having government approved journalists on government payroll sure sounds like something out of China, Russia or Cuba. I mean let's face it, will they really critisize and investigate the hands that signs their check? It also has the second order effect of making it harder for independant medias to compete, since they can't just get free government money. > And I don't see Disney or Marvel making content with the Canadian culture and heritage in mind. Is there a market for it? Right now this content is dumped by a single player that's subsidized. No reason to enter this space.
- m-p-3 5y ago
  > That... weird. Having government approved journalists on government payroll sure sounds like something out of China, Russia or Cuba. The government doesn't actively handle the hiring, CBC has journalistic independence from the government. They in fact handle all of their internal systems (email, data, phone) independently from the government. > I mean let's face it, will they really critisize and investigate the hands that signs their check? They do all the time in fact, and they report on themselves even if it shines a negative light. Example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/khan-cbc-canadaland-tweet-cherry-fired-arbitor-1.5873539 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/khan-cbc-canadaland-tweet-che... > Is there a market for it? Right now this content is dumped by a single player that's subsidized. No reason to enter this space. When the majority of the private content available is from the US, it's also hard to compete with the torrents of culture they push on us. At least CBC is actively pushing content that is culturally significant.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    > The government doesn't actively handle the hiring, CBC has journalistic independence from the government. They in fact handle all of their internal systems (email, data, phone) independently from the government. But, at the end of the year, who signs the check? > it's also hard to compete with the torrents of culture they push on us Not sure "pushing" is the correct term. I remember when Hulu and Netflix started to disrupt the market a lot of Canadians were trying to trick those companies into serving them, with fake addresses and VPNs. Didn't radio stations used to play "Government mandated Canadian Content" at night because listeners were just tuning out if they did it during peak hours? [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content#Regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content#Regulations
- neom 5y ago
  Gosh I've had this conversations more times than years I've lived I'd expect. I suspect I understand your position, never the less.. last I'd checked, we'd pretty fully embraced socialism for quite some time now. I'm fine with whatever the majority want if the direction was to change, however... Maxime Bernier didn't exactly do well. My only nit pick on the CBC is that I believe the very REASON Canada has so much fantastic media is because the government funds independent artists, could someone like Matt Dusk have had a career in any other country? He certainly doesn't say so. Leonard Cohen, Drake, Shania Twain, all funded by the government, because of the Canadian Content mandate, the mandate dutifully fulfilled by our national broadcaster. Additionally, I very much enjoy shows like DNTO, Quirks & Quarks and especially: not having them chocked full of advertising.
  - k12sosse 5y ago
    I'm fine with a federally funded broadcaster. Media in Canada (news and entertainment) has really nose-dived since private industry all amalgamated in the 2000s. It's not perfect, but it's not as bad as it could be. (that's kind of the Great Canadian Motto) Most newspapers are all copy/paste nationwide now, and the majority of TV production is handled by the people who own the medium into the house (cable/fibre/satellite), making "Canadian, eh!" versions of American culture and passing it off as CanCon. The CBC are out there at least trying to keep it real. Most of them, at least.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    > Leonard Cohen, Drake, Shania Twain, all funded by the government, because of the Canadian Content mandate, the mandate dutifully fulfilled by our national broadcaster It's interesting to consider Justin Bieber's houses right here in California were purchased in part with Canadian government subsidies [0]. [0] https://www.velvetropes.com/backstage/justin-bieber-house https://www.velvetropes.com/backstage/justin-bieber-house

by m-p-3 5y ago

908B64B197 5y ago

> but also hires a lot of journalists, right? That... weird. Having government approved journalists on government payroll sure sounds like something out of China, Russia or Cuba. I mean let's face it, will they really critisize and investigate the hands that signs their check? It also has the second order effect of making it harder for independant medias to compete, since they can't just get free government money. > And I don't see Disney or Marvel making content with the Canadian culture and heritage in mind. Is there a market for it? Right now this content is dumped by a single player that's subsidized. No reason to enter this space.

m-p-3 5y ago
> That... weird. Having government approved journalists on government payroll sure sounds like something out of China, Russia or Cuba. The government doesn't actively handle the hiring, CBC has journalistic independence from the government. They in fact handle all of their internal systems (email, data, phone) independently from the government. > I mean let's face it, will they really critisize and investigate the hands that signs their check? They do all the time in fact, and they report on themselves even if it shines a negative light. Example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/khan-cbc-canadaland-tweet-cherry-fired-arbitor-1.5873539 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/khan-cbc-canadaland-tweet-che... > Is there a market for it? Right now this content is dumped by a single player that's subsidized. No reason to enter this space. When the majority of the private content available is from the US, it's also hard to compete with the torrents of culture they push on us. At least CBC is actively pushing content that is culturally significant.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > The government doesn't actively handle the hiring, CBC has journalistic independence from the government. They in fact handle all of their internal systems (email, data, phone) independently from the government. But, at the end of the year, who signs the check? > it's also hard to compete with the torrents of culture they push on us Not sure "pushing" is the correct term. I remember when Hulu and Netflix started to disrupt the market a lot of Canadians were trying to trick those companies into serving them, with fake addresses and VPNs. Didn't radio stations used to play "Government mandated Canadian Content" at night because listeners were just tuning out if they did it during peak hours? [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content#Regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content#Regulations
neom 5y ago
Gosh I've had this conversations more times than years I've lived I'd expect. I suspect I understand your position, never the less.. last I'd checked, we'd pretty fully embraced socialism for quite some time now. I'm fine with whatever the majority want if the direction was to change, however... Maxime Bernier didn't exactly do well. My only nit pick on the CBC is that I believe the very REASON Canada has so much fantastic media is because the government funds independent artists, could someone like Matt Dusk have had a career in any other country? He certainly doesn't say so. Leonard Cohen, Drake, Shania Twain, all funded by the government, because of the Canadian Content mandate, the mandate dutifully fulfilled by our national broadcaster. Additionally, I very much enjoy shows like DNTO, Quirks & Quarks and especially: not having them chocked full of advertising.
- k12sosse 5y ago
  I'm fine with a federally funded broadcaster. Media in Canada (news and entertainment) has really nose-dived since private industry all amalgamated in the 2000s. It's not perfect, but it's not as bad as it could be. (that's kind of the Great Canadian Motto) Most newspapers are all copy/paste nationwide now, and the majority of TV production is handled by the people who own the medium into the house (cable/fibre/satellite), making "Canadian, eh!" versions of American culture and passing it off as CanCon. The CBC are out there at least trying to keep it real. Most of them, at least.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > Leonard Cohen, Drake, Shania Twain, all funded by the government, because of the Canadian Content mandate, the mandate dutifully fulfilled by our national broadcaster It's interesting to consider Justin Bieber's houses right here in California were purchased in part with Canadian government subsidies [0]. [0] https://www.velvetropes.com/backstage/justin-bieber-house https://www.velvetropes.com/backstage/justin-bieber-house