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I love that the article I presume you got that from [1] states: > Acceptable answers include statement such as: > To enable people to better serve and sell to

by jakear 5y ago

I love that the article I presume you got that from [1] states: > Acceptable answers include statement such as: > To enable people to better serve and sell to the Hispanic community; to improve marketing strategies to the Hispanic community; and to enable people to establish contacts to serve the Hispanic community. Which is not only grammatically incorrect, but grammatically incorrect to the point of message-shattering ambiguity. Is the triplet of statements required for an acceptable answer, or would any individual statement from that list suffice? If all three would be required I doubt I'd have been marked correct - I would have just listed the most important one then moved on to the next question. [1] https://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/stupider-than-you-realize.html https://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/07/stupider-than-you-rea... (first search result for "Se Habla Español Hits Chicago" besides the link you gave)

thaumasiotes 5y ago
Any individual statement from the list will suffice. This is already clear in the Overcoming Bias post, but it's equally clear in the source, which says this: > Correct Answer: > Any statement such as the following: to enable people to better serve and sell to the Hispanic community; to improve marketing strategies to the Hispanic community; and to enable people to establish contacts to serve the Hispanic community It is technically true that "Acceptable answers include statement such as:" is grammatically incorrect, but the error is so obvious that it would normally be called a "typo" and not a "grammatical error".
- jakear 5y ago
  What "source" is this? I found https://nces.ed.gov/Pubs2007/2007480_3.pdf https://nces.ed.gov/Pubs2007/2007480_3.pdf, which is considerably more clear as it lists the three statements as entirely separate list items: > Any statement such as the following: > To enable people to better serve and sell to the Hispanic community > To improve marketing strategies to the Hispanic community > To enable people to establish contacts to serve the Hispanic community I truly disbelieve you can claim in good faith that that is "equally clear" as: > Acceptable answers include statement such as: > To enable people to better serve and sell to the Hispanic community; to improve marketing strategies to the Hispanic community; and to enable people to establish contacts to serve the Hispanic community. I think interpreting the semi-colon'd sentence as a single "statement", especially given the ambiguity introduced by their grammatical error, is entirely reasonable. I was genuinely unsure as to the correct interpretation. Who's to say that the correct edit is adding an `s` to the end of `statement` versus adding an `a ` to its beginning?
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    The source is the same one linked in the post you're trying to slam. The URL has changed from http://nces.ed.gov/NAAL/sample_question.asp http://nces.ed.gov/NAAL/sample_question.asp , as written in the post, to https://nces.ed.gov/naal/sample_items.asp https://nces.ed.gov/naal/sample_items.asp . You can easily find the question by using the Text String Search field. > I was genuinely unsure as to the correct interpretation. Who's to say You're arguing at the level of this handless guy now. https://xkcd.com/169/ https://xkcd.com/169/
    - jakear 5y ago
      You seem to be confusing your argument for my own. I'm the one claiming that the text is ambiguous and shouldn't be, you seem to be outright denying that it's ambiguous at all? You're the handless guy feeling smug about their innate knowledge that the author's intention was "Acceptable answers include statements such as:" rather than "Acceptable answers include a statement such as:", I'm the top-hat dude calling you out.
      - thaumasiotes 5y ago
        You are the handless guy protesting that you're technically correct despite being forced to use interpretations that nobody else would ever consider. Try asking people how to read that post. See how many of them misunderstand it or think it's confusing. > I'm the one claiming that the text is ambiguous Between the handless guy and the top-hat dude, which one is claiming the text is ambiguous? How well-grounded is that claim?
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by jakear 5y ago

thaumasiotes 5y ago

Any individual statement from the list will suffice. This is already clear in the Overcoming Bias post, but it's equally clear in the source, which says this: > Correct Answer: > Any statement such as the following: to enable people to better serve and sell to the Hispanic community; to improve marketing strategies to the Hispanic community; and to enable people to establish contacts to serve the Hispanic community It is technically true that "Acceptable answers include statement such as:" is grammatically incorrect, but the error is so obvious that it would normally be called a "typo" and not a "grammatical error".

jakear 5y ago
What "source" is this? I found https://nces.ed.gov/Pubs2007/2007480_3.pdf https://nces.ed.gov/Pubs2007/2007480_3.pdf, which is considerably more clear as it lists the three statements as entirely separate list items: > Any statement such as the following: > To enable people to better serve and sell to the Hispanic community > To improve marketing strategies to the Hispanic community > To enable people to establish contacts to serve the Hispanic community I truly disbelieve you can claim in good faith that that is "equally clear" as: > Acceptable answers include statement such as: > To enable people to better serve and sell to the Hispanic community; to improve marketing strategies to the Hispanic community; and to enable people to establish contacts to serve the Hispanic community. I think interpreting the semi-colon'd sentence as a single "statement", especially given the ambiguity introduced by their grammatical error, is entirely reasonable. I was genuinely unsure as to the correct interpretation. Who's to say that the correct edit is adding an `s` to the end of `statement` versus adding an `a ` to its beginning?
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  The source is the same one linked in the post you're trying to slam. The URL has changed from http://nces.ed.gov/NAAL/sample_question.asp http://nces.ed.gov/NAAL/sample_question.asp , as written in the post, to https://nces.ed.gov/naal/sample_items.asp https://nces.ed.gov/naal/sample_items.asp . You can easily find the question by using the Text String Search field. > I was genuinely unsure as to the correct interpretation. Who's to say You're arguing at the level of this handless guy now. https://xkcd.com/169/ https://xkcd.com/169/
  - jakear 5y ago
    You seem to be confusing your argument for my own. I'm the one claiming that the text is ambiguous and shouldn't be, you seem to be outright denying that it's ambiguous at all? You're the handless guy feeling smug about their innate knowledge that the author's intention was "Acceptable answers include statements such as:" rather than "Acceptable answers include a statement such as:", I'm the top-hat dude calling you out.
    - thaumasiotes 5y ago
      You are the handless guy protesting that you're technically correct despite being forced to use interpretations that nobody else would ever consider. Try asking people how to read that post. See how many of them misunderstand it or think it's confusing. > I'm the one claiming that the text is ambiguous Between the handless guy and the top-hat dude, which one is claiming the text is ambiguous? How well-grounded is that claim?

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