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Moderation and filtering can happen on the user application layer with the underlying data still being open and accessible. Right now the gate keepers are Big T

by Kiro 5y ago

Moderation and filtering can happen on the user application layer with the underlying data still being open and accessible. Right now the gate keepers are Big Tech deciding who and when someone or something can access the data.

jandrese 5y ago
Personal spam control has its own issues. Managing the filter can end up consuming all of your time on the platform and that effort has to be replicated for every user. Worse, public perception will be that your platform is unusable because the horrendous first impression it makes. So maybe you decided to make public filter lists, but then the people making the filters end up being the defacto operators of the platform and you're back to square 1.
- Kiro 5y ago
  I mostly meant the app you're using to access the data doing the moderation for you. I don't think we would be back to square 1. We would still have the possibility to create new clients and build whatever applications we want without being under the mercy of Big Tech holding the data hostage. Sure, maybe one such app talking to the open platform would become dominant and the de facto operator but at least it wouldn't have the power to restrict, limit or shut down other apps.
  - shagie 5y ago
    > We would still have the possibility to create new clients and build whatever applications we want without being under the mercy of Big Tech holding the data hostage. How does this improve on a self hosted blog with RSS feeds and associated aggregators?
    - Kiro 5y ago
      How does what improve? I haven't said anything about implementation.
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        All theories are good until they come into contact with reality. "Everything will be magically good and people will live in love in peace once there's a decentralized open database with bo gatekeepers" is just as valid a statement if you "don't say anything about implementation".
        Kiro 5y ago
        Not sure what your point is. You've been arguing with me against something I don't understand this whole thread so let me make this clear: I (me, personally) want to build apps on open and unrestricted APIs. I don't know how or if this will happen. I don't claim it will change the world and I definitely don't think it involves blockchain. Now, can you stop being obnoxious?
        dmitriid 5y ago
        > Not sure what your point is. My point is: You keep saying things without offering anything concrete. When people ask you concrete questions you hide behind "I never said aything about implementation" > I (me, personally) want to I also want many things.
        Kiro 5y ago
        Why would I need to offer anything at all? People ask irrelevant questions thinking I'm advocating for a crypto future. > I also want many things. And how would you feel if people started arguing saying you don't actually want those things? That's what you are doing.
- mattwilsonn888 5y ago
  No. The base layer remains open and decentralized, and the user layers dictate their own rules on what's allowed. It's not personal spam control, that term doesn't even make sense - that would be akin to each user viewing everything and deciding if its kosher or not, except they've just viewed everything, so its not a filter at all. Its quite obvious that user services would form their own communities around their moderation styles, and its not like all data needs to be posted on chain anyways.

by Kiro 5y ago

jandrese 5y ago

Personal spam control has its own issues. Managing the filter can end up consuming all of your time on the platform and that effort has to be replicated for every user. Worse, public perception will be that your platform is unusable because the horrendous first impression it makes. So maybe you decided to make public filter lists, but then the people making the filters end up being the defacto operators of the platform and you're back to square 1.

Kiro 5y ago
I mostly meant the app you're using to access the data doing the moderation for you. I don't think we would be back to square 1. We would still have the possibility to create new clients and build whatever applications we want without being under the mercy of Big Tech holding the data hostage. Sure, maybe one such app talking to the open platform would become dominant and the de facto operator but at least it wouldn't have the power to restrict, limit or shut down other apps.
- shagie 5y ago
  > We would still have the possibility to create new clients and build whatever applications we want without being under the mercy of Big Tech holding the data hostage. How does this improve on a self hosted blog with RSS feeds and associated aggregators?
  - Kiro 5y ago
    How does what improve? I haven't said anything about implementation.
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      All theories are good until they come into contact with reality. "Everything will be magically good and people will live in love in peace once there's a decentralized open database with bo gatekeepers" is just as valid a statement if you "don't say anything about implementation".
      - Kiro 5y ago
        Not sure what your point is. You've been arguing with me against something I don't understand this whole thread so let me make this clear: I (me, personally) want to build apps on open and unrestricted APIs. I don't know how or if this will happen. I don't claim it will change the world and I definitely don't think it involves blockchain. Now, can you stop being obnoxious?
        dmitriid 5y ago
        > Not sure what your point is. My point is: You keep saying things without offering anything concrete. When people ask you concrete questions you hide behind "I never said aything about implementation" > I (me, personally) want to I also want many things.
        Kiro 5y ago
        Why would I need to offer anything at all? People ask irrelevant questions thinking I'm advocating for a crypto future. > I also want many things. And how would you feel if people started arguing saying you don't actually want those things? That's what you are doing.
mattwilsonn888 5y ago
No. The base layer remains open and decentralized, and the user layers dictate their own rules on what's allowed. It's not personal spam control, that term doesn't even make sense - that would be akin to each user viewing everything and deciding if its kosher or not, except they've just viewed everything, so its not a filter at all. Its quite obvious that user services would form their own communities around their moderation styles, and its not like all data needs to be posted on chain anyways.