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You mean the market rate in another market/country that they can get into. Certainly not the Canadian market rate. That's the price of free trade and open bord

You mean the market rate in another market/country that they can get into. Certainly not the Canadian market rate. That's the price of free trade and open borders. Most countries lose their best and brightest to the US and other high-pay countries, and the world is poorer for it.

908B64B197 5y ago
> Most countries lose their best and brightest to the US and other high-pay countries, and the world is poorer for it Why not simply compete?
- neom 5y ago
  At least in Canada it would be consider pretty uncouth for a civic worker to make what they would have to make to compete. Personally I don't agree with this, however, if my farther learned a software engineer at the post office was making $200k his head would explode, he already wants to defund the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, also a crown corp. My understanding is that our national defence and spy agency pay quite well by Canadian standards, but that's about it for government jobs. Our crown corps also happened to be big fans of using students: https://www.lcbonext.com/ https://www.lcbonext.com/
  - drpgq 5y ago
    My sister works at CSEC and the pay isn't that great. The working conditions are pretty good from what I can tell.
  - baseballMan 5y ago
    CSIS still seems low by most standards: https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corporate/csis-jobs/salaries-and-benefits.html https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corpo... You can get "level 6" salaries as a new grad at a canadian bank.
    - totony 5y ago
      Yeah that's terrible, even for canadian software engineering standards.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    > At least in Canada it would be consider pretty uncouth for a civic worker to make what they would have to make to compete. Yet it's a single payer healthcare system no? Meaning medical staff ultimately is on government payroll. Pretty sure they make more than $200K. > he already wants to defund the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, also a crown corp. He's not wrong. Why does entertainment need public funding? Marvel and Disney made billions last year by simply making content that people want to watch. It's a hugely profitable business. > Our crown corps also happened to be big fans of using students: https://www.lcbonext.com/ https://www.lcbonext.com/ The link you shared is even more bizarre. Almost at the top of the page they brag about the companies where their former interns ended up. Most of them are American companies in SV. What does that tell us about the people working there full time? "Not good enough to come to America and innovate? Join full-time with the rest of the B-Players!"
    - m-p-3 5y ago
      > Why does entertainment need public funding? You know that CBC isn't all about entertainment, but also hires a lot of journalists, right? And I don't see Disney or Marvel making content with the Canadian culture and heritage in mind.
      - 908B64B197 5y ago
        > but also hires a lot of journalists, right? That... weird. Having government approved journalists on government payroll sure sounds like something out of China, Russia or Cuba. I mean let's face it, will they really critisize and investigate the hands that signs their check? It also has the second order effect of making it harder for independant medias to compete, since they can't just get free government money. > And I don't see Disney or Marvel making content with the Canadian culture and heritage in mind. Is there a market for it? Right now this content is dumped by a single player that's subsidized. No reason to enter this space.
        m-p-3 5y ago
        > That... weird. Having government approved journalists on government payroll sure sounds like something out of China, Russia or Cuba. The government doesn't actively handle the hiring, CBC has journalistic independence from the government. They in fact handle all of their internal systems (email, data, phone) independently from the government. > I mean let's face it, will they really critisize and investigate the hands that signs their check? They do all the time in fact, and they report on themselves even if it shines a negative light. Example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/khan-cbc-canadaland-tweet-cherry-fired-arbitor-1.5873539 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/khan-cbc-canadaland-tweet-che... > Is there a market for it? Right now this content is dumped by a single player that's subsidized. No reason to enter this space. When the majority of the private content available is from the US, it's also hard to compete with the torrents of culture they push on us. At least CBC is actively pushing content that is culturally significant.
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    If you'd watched the CBC recently you'd want to defund it as well. Tons of blatant propaganda.
  - kache_ 5y ago
    CSIS and CSE pay like garbage. I could have helped my country but instead I opted to write enterprise software for 5 times the money
- markdown 5y ago
  Why don't you just compete with Usain Bolt? To suggest that Samoa, Bangladesh, Peru, or 150 other countries should "simply compete" shows a complete lack of knowledge about the state of the world, about economics, and about human behaviour.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    > Why don't you just compete with Usain Bolt? You've never been around athletes haven't you? There are a lot of very talented people who are working very hard to shatter his records! > To suggest that Samoa, Bangladesh, Peru, or 150 other countries should "simply compete" shows a complete lack of knowledge about the state of the world, about economics, and about human behaviour. Sounds like they should understand why contributors are leaving and take measures to simply make them stay. Every country will have different challenge, but it's not hopeless. Keep in mind Japan and South Korea were extremely poor a few decades ago; look at them now! At the end of the day, I'm on the other side of the transaction (getting an influx of foreing educated professionals willing to come here and innovate) so it doesn't matter too much to me really.
    - markdown 5y ago
      > There are a lot of very talented people who are working very hard to shatter his records! Yeah, and a handful can compete with him. 99.99999% of humanity wouldn't stand a chance. > Sounds like they should understand why contributors are leaving and take measures to simply make them stay. Every country will have different challenge, but it's not hopeless. Keep in mind Japan and South Korea were extremely poor a few decades ago; look at them now! You named two countries. There are 200 others.
bawolff 5y ago
Canadian market rate for software engineer is pretty high if you live in vancouver (especially american companies that operate in canada). Its not SF levels of pay, but its definitely not peanuts.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  Vancouver is nearly SF price level though. But with far worse pay.

908B64B197 5y ago

> Most countries lose their best and brightest to the US and other high-pay countries, and the world is poorer for it Why not simply compete?

neom 5y ago
At least in Canada it would be consider pretty uncouth for a civic worker to make what they would have to make to compete. Personally I don't agree with this, however, if my farther learned a software engineer at the post office was making $200k his head would explode, he already wants to defund the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, also a crown corp. My understanding is that our national defence and spy agency pay quite well by Canadian standards, but that's about it for government jobs. Our crown corps also happened to be big fans of using students: https://www.lcbonext.com/ https://www.lcbonext.com/
- drpgq 5y ago
  My sister works at CSEC and the pay isn't that great. The working conditions are pretty good from what I can tell.
- baseballMan 5y ago
  CSIS still seems low by most standards: https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corporate/csis-jobs/salaries-and-benefits.html https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corpo... You can get "level 6" salaries as a new grad at a canadian bank.
  - totony 5y ago
    Yeah that's terrible, even for canadian software engineering standards.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > At least in Canada it would be consider pretty uncouth for a civic worker to make what they would have to make to compete. Yet it's a single payer healthcare system no? Meaning medical staff ultimately is on government payroll. Pretty sure they make more than $200K. > he already wants to defund the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, also a crown corp. He's not wrong. Why does entertainment need public funding? Marvel and Disney made billions last year by simply making content that people want to watch. It's a hugely profitable business. > Our crown corps also happened to be big fans of using students: https://www.lcbonext.com/ https://www.lcbonext.com/ The link you shared is even more bizarre. Almost at the top of the page they brag about the companies where their former interns ended up. Most of them are American companies in SV. What does that tell us about the people working there full time? "Not good enough to come to America and innovate? Join full-time with the rest of the B-Players!"
  - m-p-3 5y ago
    > Why does entertainment need public funding? You know that CBC isn't all about entertainment, but also hires a lot of journalists, right? And I don't see Disney or Marvel making content with the Canadian culture and heritage in mind.
    - 908B64B197 5y ago
      > but also hires a lot of journalists, right? That... weird. Having government approved journalists on government payroll sure sounds like something out of China, Russia or Cuba. I mean let's face it, will they really critisize and investigate the hands that signs their check? It also has the second order effect of making it harder for independant medias to compete, since they can't just get free government money. > And I don't see Disney or Marvel making content with the Canadian culture and heritage in mind. Is there a market for it? Right now this content is dumped by a single player that's subsidized. No reason to enter this space.
      - m-p-3 5y ago
        > That... weird. Having government approved journalists on government payroll sure sounds like something out of China, Russia or Cuba. The government doesn't actively handle the hiring, CBC has journalistic independence from the government. They in fact handle all of their internal systems (email, data, phone) independently from the government. > I mean let's face it, will they really critisize and investigate the hands that signs their check? They do all the time in fact, and they report on themselves even if it shines a negative light. Example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/khan-cbc-canadaland-tweet-cherry-fired-arbitor-1.5873539 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/khan-cbc-canadaland-tweet-che... > Is there a market for it? Right now this content is dumped by a single player that's subsidized. No reason to enter this space. When the majority of the private content available is from the US, it's also hard to compete with the torrents of culture they push on us. At least CBC is actively pushing content that is culturally significant.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  If you'd watched the CBC recently you'd want to defund it as well. Tons of blatant propaganda.
- kache_ 5y ago
  CSIS and CSE pay like garbage. I could have helped my country but instead I opted to write enterprise software for 5 times the money
markdown 5y ago
Why don't you just compete with Usain Bolt? To suggest that Samoa, Bangladesh, Peru, or 150 other countries should "simply compete" shows a complete lack of knowledge about the state of the world, about economics, and about human behaviour.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > Why don't you just compete with Usain Bolt? You've never been around athletes haven't you? There are a lot of very talented people who are working very hard to shatter his records! > To suggest that Samoa, Bangladesh, Peru, or 150 other countries should "simply compete" shows a complete lack of knowledge about the state of the world, about economics, and about human behaviour. Sounds like they should understand why contributors are leaving and take measures to simply make them stay. Every country will have different challenge, but it's not hopeless. Keep in mind Japan and South Korea were extremely poor a few decades ago; look at them now! At the end of the day, I'm on the other side of the transaction (getting an influx of foreing educated professionals willing to come here and innovate) so it doesn't matter too much to me really.
  - markdown 5y ago
    > There are a lot of very talented people who are working very hard to shatter his records! Yeah, and a handful can compete with him. 99.99999% of humanity wouldn't stand a chance. > Sounds like they should understand why contributors are leaving and take measures to simply make them stay. Every country will have different challenge, but it's not hopeless. Keep in mind Japan and South Korea were extremely poor a few decades ago; look at them now! You named two countries. There are 200 others.

bawolff 5y ago

Canadian market rate for software engineer is pretty high if you live in vancouver (especially american companies that operate in canada). Its not SF levels of pay, but its definitely not peanuts.

Mikeb85 5y ago
Vancouver is nearly SF price level though. But with far worse pay.