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I only watched about the first half of the video, but I understand there is controversy whether this was an accident or a planned wreck. If so, I think there is
by giarc 5y ago
I only watched about the first half of the video, but I understand there is controversy whether this was an accident or a planned wreck. If so, I think there is an easy answer, he should just release the footage of when the engine started to fail. There should be a good chunk of time where he is trying to restart, should also be genuine surprise when that happened and not a shot of him shutting the engine down. The youtube video (or at least the first half) didn't include that, only cut to a point where he has obviously decided to jump. He may claim to have turned off the gopro on the dash, but there was a gopro on the left wing that was focused on the cockpit that should show his reaction.
- cdiamand 5y agoCame here to say this. Pilots are drilled to work an extensive engine-out checklist during training. In this situation, the pilot had what seemed like a significant amount of altitude (time) to work the problem.
- planesceptic 5y agoSo, I’m a complete ignorant when it comes to planes, but I do have the habit of giving folks BOTD and so I was wondering a few things: 1. How experienced a pilot is this man? Is he a very junior novice or experienced such that this should be a non-factor. 2. I see lots of folks mentioned hardwares in the comments - would a vintage craft (80+ years) be lacking good maintenance or equipment? All in all I think he needs to release full footage otherwise he isn’t actually helping anyone as he claims to hope to. At the same time I see lots of armchair quarterbacking on what should have happened - but having been in high stress situations (fist, knife, and gun fights) in my life your reactions are never what you expect from the comfort of a computer chair. I’ve also witnessed as a software engineer very “senior” folks with loss of experience make amateur choices in no-stress situations - I cannot imagine the “oh shit this plane is going down” stress. Wish someone would have a good layman explanation instead of showing off their personal knowledge.
- Syonyk 5y ago> 1. How experienced a pilot is this man? Is he a very junior novice or experienced such that this should be a non-factor. Shouldn't matter. By the time the FAA examiner gives you a pilot's license, they should be convinced that you can safely handle aviation, to include engine failures. But unless the airplane is literally coming apart around you, bailing out of a light airplane is almost always the wrong answer. They land fairly slow, especially an old T-craft, and it doesn't take very many feet of deceleration room for it to be something you walk away from. I'm not familiar with the particular accident and circumstances, but nothing I've seen in the avweb writeup makes it look very good. And I generally suspect YouTube "pilots" are mostly in it for the views, and nothing sells views like a crash. As far as "the engine has quit" stress, as long as the rest of the airplane is in good shape, it's still a perfectly good airplane. And pilots regularly train (at least, should...) for engine out landings. It's a common event in training - you get somewhere near the airport, the instructor pulls the throttle back and says, "Your engine quit." I hate to say it's not a big deal, because if it quits for real, you'll certainly be sweating, but a general aviation airplane doesn't fall out of the sky if the engine quits.
- phkahler 5y ago>> you get somewhere near the airport, the instructor pulls the throttle back and says, "Your engine quit." The first time mine did this was on downwind in the pattern. I looked forward at lots of farmland and said "how about there?" He pointed left and said "you got a perfectly good runway over there." I said "oh you really want me to do this, I better make my turn." IIRC I made the landing but not really near the numbers :-)
- SomeHacker44 5y agoIf it quits for real, you do NOT know you are sweating until you land. At least not in my two. For me, it felt like time slowed down and everything was crystal clear, like a yellow brick road appeared in my vision. OTOH, I fly a twin...
- behringer 5y ago
- earleybird 5y agoI still have a crystal clear memory of the time I was out in the practice area with my flight instructor and had what appeared to be a legitimate engine failure. I was all set to land in a stubble field and about 200' agl my instructor reached down and flipped the fuel selector from off to both. Never forgot that step in the checklist since. Learned several valuable lessons that day - practice til you don't miss anything . . . and keep an eye on your instructor :-)
- SomeHacker44 5y agoBallsy instructor to leave it that long. :)
- earleybird 5y agoPossibly - pretty sure it wasn't the first time he'd done that. In the same practice area was a dirt runway in a farmers field that we'd use for rough field landing practice - usually meant cleaning the cow crap from the undersides of the wings. Worst that would have happened - rough field landing in stubble.
- petters 5y ago> Never forgot that step in the checklist since I thought the whole point of checklists was that individual steps should not have to be remembered. E.g. every doctor and nurse knows how to put in a catheter. Yet explicit checklists save lives. If you have to remember the individual steps, it sounds like you are not using a checklist? Aren't they printed somewhere?
- FabHK 5y agoSome checklists include memory items - things that ought to be done immediately, without delay caused by looking up a checklist. An engine failure scenario is one where you don't want to spend time getting out the checklist. For the engine checks, you develop a flow from one area of the cockpit to the other, basically touching everything related to the engine. For a Cessna 172 you'd check fuel selector valve, alternate air intake, fuel shutoff valve, throttle, mixture, carb heat (if equipped), engine instruments, ignition switch, magnetos, fuel pump (if equipped).
- paul7986 5y agoAlso ... who is his friend Johnny that died ... is there an obit ... a facebook or instragram page of johnny's that shows a long history of using those apps and that he passed. Are there any pics of him with this johnny on those apps?
- planesceptic 5y agoCursory Googling gives: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Strange_(adventurer) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Strange_(adventurer) The pilot mentions snowboarding and such, seems plausible it was this man. Then again he’s a California extreme sports type so might just well be some commonly named punker friend. In that world “Johnny $FAKE_NAME” is a trope.