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Just use https://github.com/libimobiledevice/idevicerestore https://github.com/libimobiledevice/idevicerestore on a Linux or Windows machine. Yes, if you don't

by argsnd 5y ago

Just use https://github.com/libimobiledevice/idevicerestore https://github.com/libimobiledevice/idevicerestore on a Linux or Windows machine. Yes, if you don't have internet access you have a problem, but I'm personally happy enough with the benefits of this security model that I'm willing to accept the tradeoff.

lovelyviking 5y ago
>I'm happy willing to accept the tradeoff. For now ... Thank you for the link but may I suggest you to think about the future and where it leads.
- marcan_42 5y ago
  The Mac has existed for 37 years and the iPhone for 15 of those and the Mac is still open to running whatever OS users choose. You really need to find an argument other than an unqualified "the future is doom and gloom" when after all this time that future hasn't come and the platform remains open.
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  - lovelyviking 5y ago
    >The Mac has existed for 37 years and the iPhone for 15 of those So iPhone is closed for 15 years already and thus "the future is doom and gloom" is happening for 15 years already. The more important question is what will be next. >You really need to find an argument other than an unqualified "the future is doom and gloom" when after all this time that future hasn't come and the platform remains open. Argument can be qualified or unqualified depending on the topic. It is unclear which topic assumed here.
    - marcan_42 5y ago
      > So iPhone is closed for 15 years already and thus "the future is doom and gloom" is happening for 15 years already. The more important question is what will be next. "I disagree with one product's direction, therefore all other products from the same company are doomed to that direction" is not a valid argument, especially not after 15 years of it not happening. Companies are capable of producing products targeting different markets and use cases. "Domino's added a pizza I don't like to their menu, what will be next? Their entire line up will be a horrible inedible mess in a few years!" See how stupid that sounds? All you have to do is not buy an iPhone (like I didn't either) and stop spreading FUD about Macs.
      - lovelyviking 5y ago
        There is a difference between topic of 'independence and freedom' and the 'topic of security' . They are somewhat related but not the same. If deviation toward the 'topic of security' from the 'topic of independence and freedom' observed and if 'independence and freedom topic' is presented as useless and unrelated to 'real life'. Intentionally or not - in both cases it can be considered as contributing to the "doom and gloom". So I am not sure I need to find other argument as it is provided each time when switching occurs from 'independence request' to ' it's good security'. >... not a valid argument, especially not after 15 years of it not happening. It's not about trusting or not particular company. The idea is to protect and insist on certain level of respect toward owners of the computers that no company would dare/able to diminish without consequnces. >"Domino's added a pizza I don't like to their menu, what will be next? Their entire line up will be a horrible inedible mess in a few years!" >See how stupid that sounds? "what will be next" question was addressing the issue of trusting to any company and about level of dependency from any company for any owner of any computer. The context of the question was not about trusting particular company. When the context is switched then anything may appear "stupid" but then it is interpretation to blame not the question. >All you have to do is not buy an iPhone (like I didn't either) and stop spreading FUD about Macs. The issue I am discussing can not be resolved by marked and buying preferences and therefore 'just buy something else' would not work and cannot help. Like I said above, it's not about trusting Macs or company. It's about pushing back against the tendency to make personal computers more dependent and less personal. It's about respecting independence for the owner not about security, not about trust to a particular company. It's about making trust to the company irrelevant enough. It's about preserving level of respect to the owner which reduces dependency and importance of the trust to a particular company.

by argsnd 5y ago

lovelyviking 5y ago

>I'm happy willing to accept the tradeoff. For now ... Thank you for the link but may I suggest you to think about the future and where it leads.

marcan_42 5y ago
The Mac has existed for 37 years and the iPhone for 15 of those and the Mac is still open to running whatever OS users choose. You really need to find an argument other than an unqualified "the future is doom and gloom" when after all this time that future hasn't come and the platform remains open.
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- lovelyviking 5y ago
  >The Mac has existed for 37 years and the iPhone for 15 of those So iPhone is closed for 15 years already and thus "the future is doom and gloom" is happening for 15 years already. The more important question is what will be next. >You really need to find an argument other than an unqualified "the future is doom and gloom" when after all this time that future hasn't come and the platform remains open. Argument can be qualified or unqualified depending on the topic. It is unclear which topic assumed here.
  - marcan_42 5y ago
    > So iPhone is closed for 15 years already and thus "the future is doom and gloom" is happening for 15 years already. The more important question is what will be next. "I disagree with one product's direction, therefore all other products from the same company are doomed to that direction" is not a valid argument, especially not after 15 years of it not happening. Companies are capable of producing products targeting different markets and use cases. "Domino's added a pizza I don't like to their menu, what will be next? Their entire line up will be a horrible inedible mess in a few years!" See how stupid that sounds? All you have to do is not buy an iPhone (like I didn't either) and stop spreading FUD about Macs.
    - lovelyviking 5y ago
      There is a difference between topic of 'independence and freedom' and the 'topic of security' . They are somewhat related but not the same. If deviation toward the 'topic of security' from the 'topic of independence and freedom' observed and if 'independence and freedom topic' is presented as useless and unrelated to 'real life'. Intentionally or not - in both cases it can be considered as contributing to the "doom and gloom". So I am not sure I need to find other argument as it is provided each time when switching occurs from 'independence request' to ' it's good security'. >... not a valid argument, especially not after 15 years of it not happening. It's not about trusting or not particular company. The idea is to protect and insist on certain level of respect toward owners of the computers that no company would dare/able to diminish without consequnces. >"Domino's added a pizza I don't like to their menu, what will be next? Their entire line up will be a horrible inedible mess in a few years!" >See how stupid that sounds? "what will be next" question was addressing the issue of trusting to any company and about level of dependency from any company for any owner of any computer. The context of the question was not about trusting particular company. When the context is switched then anything may appear "stupid" but then it is interpretation to blame not the question. >All you have to do is not buy an iPhone (like I didn't either) and stop spreading FUD about Macs. The issue I am discussing can not be resolved by marked and buying preferences and therefore 'just buy something else' would not work and cannot help. Like I said above, it's not about trusting Macs or company. It's about pushing back against the tendency to make personal computers more dependent and less personal. It's about respecting independence for the owner not about security, not about trust to a particular company. It's about making trust to the company irrelevant enough. It's about preserving level of respect to the owner which reduces dependency and importance of the trust to a particular company.