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I think the initial cause was a BLM flag that a parent took issue with being in the classroom. Initially they were going to just ban BLM flags due to the highl

I think the initial cause was a BLM flag that a parent took issue with being in the classroom. Initially they were going to just ban BLM flags due to the highly contentious nature, but extended the ban to all flags except the US and state flag. Similar to this book "ban"...is it unreasonable that teachers not bring their own personal political view points into the classroom and push them on to children? Is a political and judgment free classroom an unreasonable expectation? How about if a teacher is a Trump supporter and wears a Trump hat to school...do we expect them to be fired because of it? This happened to someone I know...and I don't see any huge outrage in the media because of it. https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/long-time-teacher-files-civil-rights-lawsuit-against-evergreen-school-district/ https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/long-time-teacher-file...

pstuart 5y ago
As to the case, it's interesting and it looks like he lost (with prejudice) in the eyes of the law: https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/60053d864653d0759a1b0fcf https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/60053d864653d0759a1b0f... He also was intentionally an instigator and I wasn't present to see what his educational process comprised, but I'm guessing not much. There's a "thing" about "owning the libs" which doesn't have any interest in building consensus or anything like it (in fact, the opposite -- it's literally the whole point of it). He played dickhead poker and lost. Whomp whomp.
pstuart 5y ago
re Trump vs BLM flags, the former refers to a specific person of a specific party and that flag is literally a representation of fealty to same. In the latter, the words that comprise the phrase cannot be contested (but actually are, which only increases the validity and urgency of the phrase). If you want to throw in another color or flavor there then fine, because that statement comes from a position of inclusivity. Yes, all lives matter but we all know that life ain't fair and certain groups of people have it less fair than others. For many, unfortunately, the phrase BLM matters too because they've been conditioned to associate that phrase with purely negative connotations. So for those individuals, seeing a BLM flag they see the flag of their enemy and that, of course, must not stand. So to compare and contrast vis-à-vis Trump vs BLM, with the former you have "Hail to The King" and the latter being "let's end police abuse of power" that has been rebranded as evil by its opponents. They're coming from completely different intentions and intention matters a lot. BTW, I wouldn't support Biden flags in the school either. But putting up a flag that might comfort LGBQT youth in a world that is hostile to them? Or a flag that explicitly states that they matter? Your homework assignment is to compare and contrast those flags.
ethbr0 5y ago
> Is a political and judgment free classroom an unreasonable expectation? Probably? It always comes down to history, with art and literature being a reflection of it. An objective reading of all history, were there time, would still be disliked by any who place political allegiance above greater good. Add in the necessary summarization that must occur, to be able to fit a large amount of material in a smaller amount of class time, and it becomes even more fraught. Fundamentally, whether to teach a part of history, and how much emphasis or context to put on various parts, is a politically-adjacent question.
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pstuart 5y ago

As to the case, it's interesting and it looks like he lost (with prejudice) in the eyes of the law: https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/60053d864653d0759a1b0fcf https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/60053d864653d0759a1b0f... He also was intentionally an instigator and I wasn't present to see what his educational process comprised, but I'm guessing not much. There's a "thing" about "owning the libs" which doesn't have any interest in building consensus or anything like it (in fact, the opposite -- it's literally the whole point of it). He played dickhead poker and lost. Whomp whomp.

pstuart 5y ago

re Trump vs BLM flags, the former refers to a specific person of a specific party and that flag is literally a representation of fealty to same. In the latter, the words that comprise the phrase cannot be contested (but actually are, which only increases the validity and urgency of the phrase). If you want to throw in another color or flavor there then fine, because that statement comes from a position of inclusivity. Yes, all lives matter but we all know that life ain't fair and certain groups of people have it less fair than others. For many, unfortunately, the phrase BLM matters too because they've been conditioned to associate that phrase with purely negative connotations. So for those individuals, seeing a BLM flag they see the flag of their enemy and that, of course, must not stand. So to compare and contrast vis-à-vis Trump vs BLM, with the former you have "Hail to The King" and the latter being "let's end police abuse of power" that has been rebranded as evil by its opponents. They're coming from completely different intentions and intention matters a lot. BTW, I wouldn't support Biden flags in the school either. But putting up a flag that might comfort LGBQT youth in a world that is hostile to them? Or a flag that explicitly states that they matter? Your homework assignment is to compare and contrast those flags.

ethbr0 5y ago

> Is a political and judgment free classroom an unreasonable expectation? Probably? It always comes down to history, with art and literature being a reflection of it. An objective reading of all history, were there time, would still be disliked by any who place political allegiance above greater good. Add in the necessary summarization that must occur, to be able to fit a large amount of material in a smaller amount of class time, and it becomes even more fraught. Fundamentally, whether to teach a part of history, and how much emphasis or context to put on various parts, is a politically-adjacent question.

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