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Is this actually banned? Ie, if a student posses this book at home they face school discipline? Or is that the school libraries won't stock the book? There is

Is this actually banned? Ie, if a student posses this book at home they face school discipline? Or is that the school libraries won't stock the book? There is a somewhat big difference between a school library not stocking a book and a school district banning it for all students. Iran school district bans bible might be very different from this texas "ban". Why is it so important that children have access to this book? Do (local) parents working with a (local) school district not have some right to input on these things?

LamboJ 5y ago
"In Lake Travis ISD, all copies have been removed from library shelves. And just last week, Keller ISD, north of Fort Worth, restricted access to Out of Darkness in all high school libraries, citing the book’s “violence and difficult imagery.” Students in the district must ask a librarian for the book and show proof of parental consent." I see your concern that a district choosing not to stock a book is not news, but in this case it sounds like the book was available and used in the curriculum in many districts for the past 6 years, and then only banned this year after the video by Kara Bell was publicized.
watwut 5y ago
School ban literally always means that the book can not be present in school library and can not be talked about in the class. It literally never ever means the student can't possess it.
jasonlotito 5y ago
Why is it so important that children have access to books? Answer this and that will answer your question.
- onphonenow 5y ago
  Then it's clear why texas might not stock a book right? I let my kids look at Nat Geo Kids. I don't have them looking at hustler. This is parenting 101 stuff. Every study shows that letting kids be kids is a good thing for their development. Yes, some kids (often without good parental involvement) get exposed to "adult" topics much earlier. This is correlated with plenty of miserable and sad outcomes. Let me ask you this. Why should you, who is not a parent of the kids in this school, have a right to force violent imagery on those kids? Or force the procurement and availability of this material? Or of any material? Answer that question - and you will answer your own question. Some reviews here: http://commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/out-of-darkness/user-reviews/adult http://commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/out-of-darkness/use... Example: This novel crosses some legal boundaries with the adult/child abuse and rape scenes. It is VERY detail, vivid, and graphic. It includes descriptive scenes of the main character being sexually abuse by her father. Years later, her pastor encourages her to marry her stepfather as a child. This book continues to get worse as it include graphic images of children violently harmed. Eventually, a bomb goes off at school and her little sister is killed- graphic descriptions of her body parts are all over. This novel is a canvas, showcasing child abuse. There isn't any healthy themes or solutions. The poster demands your child be exposed to this - no regard to age or your own parental views.
  - jeegsy 5y ago
    Thank you for shedding some light on the actual contents of the book
SkipperCat 5y ago
The horrible part is that we're teaching kids to destroy ideas that contradict our ethos instead of using our intellect to overcome them. You don't defeat fascism by killing all the fascists, you defeat it by showing people liberty and egalitarianism is superior. Quick note, I'm not 100% against killing fascists. There's a time and a place for anything (eg: d-day).
- j_walter 5y ago
  I don't think they are saying the destroy it...but postpone access to it until people are mature enough to read it in context. Careful what you say about killing fascists...using violence to squash an ideology you don't agree with is basically fascism. People calling themselves anti-fascist but attacking people who are exercising their right to protest something is extremely stupid and hypocritical.

LamboJ 5y ago

"In Lake Travis ISD, all copies have been removed from library shelves. And just last week, Keller ISD, north of Fort Worth, restricted access to Out of Darkness in all high school libraries, citing the book’s “violence and difficult imagery.” Students in the district must ask a librarian for the book and show proof of parental consent." I see your concern that a district choosing not to stock a book is not news, but in this case it sounds like the book was available and used in the curriculum in many districts for the past 6 years, and then only banned this year after the video by Kara Bell was publicized.

watwut 5y ago

School ban literally always means that the book can not be present in school library and can not be talked about in the class. It literally never ever means the student can't possess it.

jasonlotito 5y ago

Why is it so important that children have access to books? Answer this and that will answer your question.

onphonenow 5y ago
Then it's clear why texas might not stock a book right? I let my kids look at Nat Geo Kids. I don't have them looking at hustler. This is parenting 101 stuff. Every study shows that letting kids be kids is a good thing for their development. Yes, some kids (often without good parental involvement) get exposed to "adult" topics much earlier. This is correlated with plenty of miserable and sad outcomes. Let me ask you this. Why should you, who is not a parent of the kids in this school, have a right to force violent imagery on those kids? Or force the procurement and availability of this material? Or of any material? Answer that question - and you will answer your own question. Some reviews here: http://commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/out-of-darkness/user-reviews/adult http://commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/out-of-darkness/use... Example: This novel crosses some legal boundaries with the adult/child abuse and rape scenes. It is VERY detail, vivid, and graphic. It includes descriptive scenes of the main character being sexually abuse by her father. Years later, her pastor encourages her to marry her stepfather as a child. This book continues to get worse as it include graphic images of children violently harmed. Eventually, a bomb goes off at school and her little sister is killed- graphic descriptions of her body parts are all over. This novel is a canvas, showcasing child abuse. There isn't any healthy themes or solutions. The poster demands your child be exposed to this - no regard to age or your own parental views.
- jeegsy 5y ago
  Thank you for shedding some light on the actual contents of the book

SkipperCat 5y ago

The horrible part is that we're teaching kids to destroy ideas that contradict our ethos instead of using our intellect to overcome them. You don't defeat fascism by killing all the fascists, you defeat it by showing people liberty and egalitarianism is superior. Quick note, I'm not 100% against killing fascists. There's a time and a place for anything (eg: d-day).

j_walter 5y ago
I don't think they are saying the destroy it...but postpone access to it until people are mature enough to read it in context. Careful what you say about killing fascists...using violence to squash an ideology you don't agree with is basically fascism. People calling themselves anti-fascist but attacking people who are exercising their right to protest something is extremely stupid and hypocritical.