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Canada suffers from losing all their competent tech workers to jobs that actually pay them market rate :^)

by kache_ 5y ago

Naga 5y ago
It's actually even worse for government (or crown corps like Canada Post), since they pay way below Canadian market rate, which is already way below U.S. salaries. The government then isn't really in competition for the best talent who want the most money.
- poxrud 5y ago
  Like most government dev work, Canada Post outsources to Accenture for their projects.
  - dzhiurgis 5y ago
    This. Exactly everywhere, not government only. Why pay market rates to actual developers when you can get bottom of the barrel scum for $2000 a day
    - baseballMan 5y ago
      All about that capex vs opex!
- totony 5y ago
  Not only that, most gov projects have to outsource (that's why we have such big consulting firms like CGI and LGS). This make project costs skyrocket. All that because they can't offer good wages (or condition - working conditions are pretty much set in stone).
- xvf22 5y ago
  And in Ontario public service, raises are capped to 1% yearly including benefits.
markdown 5y ago
You mean the market rate in another market/country that they can get into. Certainly not the Canadian market rate. That's the price of free trade and open borders. Most countries lose their best and brightest to the US and other high-pay countries, and the world is poorer for it.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > Most countries lose their best and brightest to the US and other high-pay countries, and the world is poorer for it Why not simply compete?
  - neom 5y ago
    At least in Canada it would be consider pretty uncouth for a civic worker to make what they would have to make to compete. Personally I don't agree with this, however, if my farther learned a software engineer at the post office was making $200k his head would explode, he already wants to defund the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, also a crown corp. My understanding is that our national defence and spy agency pay quite well by Canadian standards, but that's about it for government jobs. Our crown corps also happened to be big fans of using students: https://www.lcbonext.com/ https://www.lcbonext.com/
    - drpgq 5y ago
      My sister works at CSEC and the pay isn't that great. The working conditions are pretty good from what I can tell.
    - baseballMan 5y ago
      CSIS still seems low by most standards: https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corporate/csis-jobs/salaries-and-benefits.html https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corpo... You can get "level 6" salaries as a new grad at a canadian bank.
      - totony 5y ago
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Canada suffers from losing all their competent tech workers to jobs that actually pay them market rate :^)

by kache_ 5y ago

Canada suffers from losing all their competent tech workers to jobs that actually pay them market rate :^)

Naga 5y ago

It's actually even worse for government (or crown corps like Canada Post), since they pay way below Canadian market rate, which is already way below U.S. salaries. The government then isn't really in competition for the best talent who want the most money.

poxrud 5y ago
Like most government dev work, Canada Post outsources to Accenture for their projects.
- dzhiurgis 5y ago
  This. Exactly everywhere, not government only. Why pay market rates to actual developers when you can get bottom of the barrel scum for $2000 a day
  - baseballMan 5y ago
    All about that capex vs opex!
totony 5y ago
Not only that, most gov projects have to outsource (that's why we have such big consulting firms like CGI and LGS). This make project costs skyrocket. All that because they can't offer good wages (or condition - working conditions are pretty much set in stone).
xvf22 5y ago
And in Ontario public service, raises are capped to 1% yearly including benefits.

markdown 5y ago

You mean the market rate in another market/country that they can get into. Certainly not the Canadian market rate. That's the price of free trade and open borders. Most countries lose their best and brightest to the US and other high-pay countries, and the world is poorer for it.

908B64B197 5y ago
> Most countries lose their best and brightest to the US and other high-pay countries, and the world is poorer for it Why not simply compete?
- neom 5y ago
  At least in Canada it would be consider pretty uncouth for a civic worker to make what they would have to make to compete. Personally I don't agree with this, however, if my farther learned a software engineer at the post office was making $200k his head would explode, he already wants to defund the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, also a crown corp. My understanding is that our national defence and spy agency pay quite well by Canadian standards, but that's about it for government jobs. Our crown corps also happened to be big fans of using students: https://www.lcbonext.com/ https://www.lcbonext.com/
  - drpgq 5y ago
    My sister works at CSEC and the pay isn't that great. The working conditions are pretty good from what I can tell.
  - baseballMan 5y ago
    CSIS still seems low by most standards: https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corporate/csis-jobs/salaries-and-benefits.html https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corpo... You can get "level 6" salaries as a new grad at a canadian bank.
    - totony 5y ago

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