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You can link your sources first since you were the first one to make a claim. That said, EU mas a yearly report of the state which include graphs: https://ec.e

by belorn 5y ago

You can link your sources first since you were the first one to make a claim. That said, EU mas a yearly report of the state which include graphs: https://ec.europa.eu/energy/sites/default/files/annex_to_the_state_of_the_energy_union_report_on_energy_subsidies_in_the_eu.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/energy/sites/default/files/annex_to_the... Page 6, figure 2, Subsidies for different energy sources, as percent of GDP and in billion euros in 2019 The yellow slice is nuclear, green renewables and grey fossil fuels. The image text describe the additional colors that refers to "other" and "shared by all". In term of actually money collected by tax agencies in EU countries, fossil fuels and renewables is the primary recipient of citizens money. Year in, year out.

Retric 5y ago
We are talking about France not the EU. Look at your own numbers: “ Figure 2 - Subsidies for different energy sources, as percent of GDP and in billion euros in 2019” France is a rather large anomaly even though their nuclear reactors have been built and paid for. This is exactly the time period they should be most profitable, yet still a significant subsidy. More, that’s in comparison to all energy consumption not simply the electric grid. And further, their subsidies for wind and solar are actually paying for new generation to just continued production.
- littlestymaar 5y ago
  Amazing. Not only you don't even bother getting sources, but when someone finds a source that directly contradicts you, you end up distorting the figures you read to fit your twisted view of the world.
  - Retric 5y ago
    Should I not correct peoples misunderstanding? If that’s what you want I am happy to ignore yours.
    - littlestymaar 5y ago
      A misunderstanding isn't when somebody don't believe in the same things as you. The GP's source was clearly not going in your direction, yet you acted as if it was by just refusing to understand what it was about. The level of self-delusion is truly incredible.
      - Retric 5y ago
        Suppose someone said the US had a budget surplus and linked to an article showing the opposite. Should I not correct them? When we are talking about electricity grid subsidies in France and they bring up EU wide gasoline subsidies that’s a rather clear misunderstanding. I could have gone further and talked about subsidies on a per kWh over the lifetime of a power plant rather than the relatively tivial amounts mentioned to keep already built nuclear reactors operating but that’s likely to go above their head. As I have told you I don’t actually care about correcting the ignorant. At best I get some dark joy at making some people look foolish.
- belorn 5y ago
  I am trying very heard right now to not invoke the statement "learn to read", but fair enough, graphs are hard for some people. In page 6, figure 2, bottom line, there are country codes. FR is the country code for France. From left is the 11th, which only represent the numbers from France. France and only France.

by belorn 5y ago

Retric 5y ago

We are talking about France not the EU. Look at your own numbers: “ Figure 2 - Subsidies for different energy sources, as percent of GDP and in billion euros in 2019” France is a rather large anomaly even though their nuclear reactors have been built and paid for. This is exactly the time period they should be most profitable, yet still a significant subsidy. More, that’s in comparison to all energy consumption not simply the electric grid. And further, their subsidies for wind and solar are actually paying for new generation to just continued production.

littlestymaar 5y ago
Amazing. Not only you don't even bother getting sources, but when someone finds a source that directly contradicts you, you end up distorting the figures you read to fit your twisted view of the world.
- Retric 5y ago
  Should I not correct peoples misunderstanding? If that’s what you want I am happy to ignore yours.
  - littlestymaar 5y ago
    A misunderstanding isn't when somebody don't believe in the same things as you. The GP's source was clearly not going in your direction, yet you acted as if it was by just refusing to understand what it was about. The level of self-delusion is truly incredible.
    - Retric 5y ago
      Suppose someone said the US had a budget surplus and linked to an article showing the opposite. Should I not correct them? When we are talking about electricity grid subsidies in France and they bring up EU wide gasoline subsidies that’s a rather clear misunderstanding. I could have gone further and talked about subsidies on a per kWh over the lifetime of a power plant rather than the relatively tivial amounts mentioned to keep already built nuclear reactors operating but that’s likely to go above their head. As I have told you I don’t actually care about correcting the ignorant. At best I get some dark joy at making some people look foolish.
belorn 5y ago
I am trying very heard right now to not invoke the statement "learn to read", but fair enough, graphs are hard for some people. In page 6, figure 2, bottom line, there are country codes. FR is the country code for France. From left is the 11th, which only represent the numbers from France. France and only France.