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I am not qualified to judge the veracity of points 1 through 5. But I can see they have precisely nothing to do with points 6 and 7.

by alimw 5y ago

champagnois 5y ago
Except this is about nation state behavior, context, and geopolitics spanning decades rather than some series of small unrelated events. See my other reply. I am not excusing the behavior of treaty breaking so much as I am saying their leadership has pressure to behave in this way due to the mandate to "right historical wrongs" versus their enemies who killed and attacked them. I am not the world's leading expert on China, history, or political science -- but I would guess that the fentanyl smuggling operations they are doing are directly related to points (1) through (5) and are some form of revenge in the eyes of their leadership. It probably isn't a coincidence that fentanyl is an opioid, is killing countless Americans, is being laced onto random pills and foods sold, and is all being done by China's intelligence agencies. You know, maybe these events are related!
- alimw 5y ago
  You are suggesting that leadership decisions in China follow public opinion? Surely it is the other way around. The whole point of this story is that the CCP retains an iron grip on what the public does or doesn't learn.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Precisely. First feed the public a bunch of baloney for the last 50 years, then turn around and say that you need to satisfy public opinion and that just so happens to align with your plans. Who would have expected that?
champagnois 5y ago
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1830-1860/china-1 https://history.state.gov/milestones/1830-1860/china-1 Regardless of one's feelings towards China, this statement from the US state department, themselves a part of the conflict, more or less describes the events in almost exactly the same way.

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I am not qualified to judge the veracity of points 1 through 5. But I can see they have precisely nothing to do with points 6 and 7.

by alimw 5y ago

I am not qualified to judge the veracity of points 1 through 5. But I can see they have precisely nothing to do with points 6 and 7.

champagnois 5y ago
Except this is about nation state behavior, context, and geopolitics spanning decades rather than some series of small unrelated events. See my other reply. I am not excusing the behavior of treaty breaking so much as I am saying their leadership has pressure to behave in this way due to the mandate to "right historical wrongs" versus their enemies who killed and attacked them. I am not the world's leading expert on China, history, or political science -- but I would guess that the fentanyl smuggling operations they are doing are directly related to points (1) through (5) and are some form of revenge in the eyes of their leadership. It probably isn't a coincidence that fentanyl is an opioid, is killing countless Americans, is being laced onto random pills and foods sold, and is all being done by China's intelligence agencies. You know, maybe these events are related!
- alimw 5y ago
  You are suggesting that leadership decisions in China follow public opinion? Surely it is the other way around. The whole point of this story is that the CCP retains an iron grip on what the public does or doesn't learn.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Precisely. First feed the public a bunch of baloney for the last 50 years, then turn around and say that you need to satisfy public opinion and that just so happens to align with your plans. Who would have expected that?
champagnois 5y ago
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1830-1860/china-1 https://history.state.gov/milestones/1830-1860/china-1 Regardless of one's feelings towards China, this statement from the US state department, themselves a part of the conflict, more or less describes the events in almost exactly the same way.