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> the bulk of world emissions currently comes from developing countries And the bulk of emissions in developed countries comes from corporations. I don't know

> the bulk of world emissions currently comes from developing countries And the bulk of emissions in developed countries comes from corporations. I don't know offhand, but I'd be shocked if the same bulk for developing countries isn't produced by corporations as well, and not shocked but wildly surprised if it's not the exact same corporations.

pcstl 5y ago
I do not believe it is the exact same corporations, as China is the single largest contributor to emissions right now and they are not very friendly to the idea of foreign corporations acquiring a significant foothold in their domestic market. However, I believe this discussion is completely orthogonal to the point I was making. I was not talking about the bulk of emissions coming from developing countries as some kind of moral judgement about developing countries, simply to state that reducing emissions in developed countries would not be enough - which means that reduced consumption in developing countries would be required, which would in turn mean condemning a significant amount of the world's population to perpetual poverty.
emodendroket 5y ago
You don't believe corporations are just doing emissions for the hell of it, do you? They have to sell to someone in the end.
c0nducktr 5y ago
Thank you. Countries are just lines on a map. They may have their own politics, but they're still just a part of the whole. Global heating, Global Pollution, are things that bypass country borders. When there's multi-national corporations contributing to these things, you cannot fault the countries, the people. You can only fault Capital, those keen on extracting every little bit from the Earth, until nothing remains.
- nickpp 5y ago
  Corporations build only things people want. Nothing less, nothing more. So if you want to fault somebody, sorry - it’s back to the people.

pcstl 5y ago

I do not believe it is the exact same corporations, as China is the single largest contributor to emissions right now and they are not very friendly to the idea of foreign corporations acquiring a significant foothold in their domestic market. However, I believe this discussion is completely orthogonal to the point I was making. I was not talking about the bulk of emissions coming from developing countries as some kind of moral judgement about developing countries, simply to state that reducing emissions in developed countries would not be enough - which means that reduced consumption in developing countries would be required, which would in turn mean condemning a significant amount of the world's population to perpetual poverty.

emodendroket 5y ago

You don't believe corporations are just doing emissions for the hell of it, do you? They have to sell to someone in the end.

c0nducktr 5y ago

Thank you. Countries are just lines on a map. They may have their own politics, but they're still just a part of the whole. Global heating, Global Pollution, are things that bypass country borders. When there's multi-national corporations contributing to these things, you cannot fault the countries, the people. You can only fault Capital, those keen on extracting every little bit from the Earth, until nothing remains.

nickpp 5y ago
Corporations build only things people want. Nothing less, nothing more. So if you want to fault somebody, sorry - it’s back to the people.