3 ms·

If they did that then scammers would coax people into giving them access to the push token and the victims would be receiving spam notifications that would be v

If they did that then scammers would coax people into giving them access to the push token and the victims would be receiving spam notifications that would be very hard for them to get rid of. We already see that kind of stuff with spam calendars. I don’t see Apple enabling such kind of push notifications. What kind of use cases do you have in mind?

jedberg 5y ago
> If they did that then scammers would coax people into giving them access to the push token Since it would still go through apple servers, they could put mitigations in place, such as checking for repeated messages to multiple accounts, one IP pushing to multiple accounts, the actual content of the message, etc. They could also put an interface right on the phone that lets you mark it as spam. They could also give you an easy way to rotate the key. > What kind of use cases do you have in mind? - Set up a cron to trigger an push when I know we need to leave the house. - Set up a cron to trigger a push at 7pm to all the phones in the house to remind the kids to come to dinner (and remind me it is dinner time). - Use a weather API and the Nest API to determine when it is time to open or close the window and push that. - Use my cameras to determine when the postman has arrived and then push that the mail has arrived. - Basically any useful household information that can be gathered via API and pushed without anyone having to ask for it.
- raron 5y ago
  You need something like this: https://github.com/fi3te/NotificationCron https://github.com/fi3te/NotificationCron
  - jedberg 5y ago
    Looks like that is only Android, and only solves my first two use cases anyway.
- foodstances 5y ago
  You could use Pushover for that, it works on iOS and Android - https://pushover.net https://pushover.net You can also send images captured from your camera in addition to just text notifications.
  - jedberg 5y ago
    Sure, there are plenty of services that I can sign up for where I can install their custom app and then send my private messages in the clear to their servers. But the point is I want Apple to do it so I don't have to rely on a 3rd party. I already have to trust Apple with my private data and for the most part rely on their servers to be up. I don't want to add another service to rely on.

jedberg 5y ago

> If they did that then scammers would coax people into giving them access to the push token Since it would still go through apple servers, they could put mitigations in place, such as checking for repeated messages to multiple accounts, one IP pushing to multiple accounts, the actual content of the message, etc. They could also put an interface right on the phone that lets you mark it as spam. They could also give you an easy way to rotate the key. > What kind of use cases do you have in mind? - Set up a cron to trigger an push when I know we need to leave the house. - Set up a cron to trigger a push at 7pm to all the phones in the house to remind the kids to come to dinner (and remind me it is dinner time). - Use a weather API and the Nest API to determine when it is time to open or close the window and push that. - Use my cameras to determine when the postman has arrived and then push that the mail has arrived. - Basically any useful household information that can be gathered via API and pushed without anyone having to ask for it.

raron 5y ago
You need something like this: https://github.com/fi3te/NotificationCron https://github.com/fi3te/NotificationCron
- jedberg 5y ago
  Looks like that is only Android, and only solves my first two use cases anyway.
foodstances 5y ago
You could use Pushover for that, it works on iOS and Android - https://pushover.net https://pushover.net You can also send images captured from your camera in addition to just text notifications.
- jedberg 5y ago
  Sure, there are plenty of services that I can sign up for where I can install their custom app and then send my private messages in the clear to their servers. But the point is I want Apple to do it so I don't have to rely on a 3rd party. I already have to trust Apple with my private data and for the most part rely on their servers to be up. I don't want to add another service to rely on.