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> No matter how dismissive one is of the midwest, how could you be ignorant of the existence of a major metro area like Minneapolis-St. Paul? Per [0], it's the
by vineyardmike 5y ago
> No matter how dismissive one is of the midwest, how could you be ignorant of the existence of a major metro area like Minneapolis-St. Paul? Per [0], it's the 16th largest in the U.S. Its teams participate in every major televised sports league (NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB).
Idk how you could not know it exists, but i can imagine people not knowing much about it.
> I'm from a significantly smaller Midwestern city than Minneapolis, and I don't recall anyone ever saying "where's that" or "are there buildings there" when I say where I'm from.
The buildings thing is probably a bit of a joke, but i found that some people have cultural references to things and Minneapolis has less cultural touch points for people to identify with. Obviously LA and NYC have tons of visibility in movies and pop culture, and places like detroit are well known in news due to visible industries (and their problems lately)... but mid western cities? less so.
I lived in CLE and i always joked about how cleveland has buildings but no people. I was not alone in such jokes. I can only imagine what people in detroit experience, especially since cleveland's unofficial slogan is "at least we're not Detroit". Aside, but according to your link cleveland area is supposedly bigger than silicon valley, which is surprising..
> Its teams participate in every major televised sports league (NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB).
Plenty of people don't care about this, and wouldn't recognize this from it. Santa Clara county in california has offices or HQs of the top 5-10 largest companies in america (apple, msft, goog, amzn, fb, etc). For some, this is more recognizable than a big sports team. Despite being smaller, Boston has many of the top universities in america (Harvard, MIT, BU, BC, etc), again, some may identify with this metric better. This is especially true in tech.
- vgeek 5y agoThe two best things denigrating Cleveland: Balloonfest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0CT8zrw6lw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0CT8zrw6lw) & your already mentioned Mike Polk Jr's tourism videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0CT8zrw6lw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0CT8zrw6lw & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM). If you can get past the dreary gray skies for 8 months of the year, Cleveland is cheap (even the nicer suburbs like Solon or Aurora) and has easy access to scenic western PA & upstate NY.
- krallja 5y ago“Sure, the weather sucks, but at least it’s cheap, and you can go to marginally better places fairly quickly.” Not exactly a ringing endorsement!
- digianarchist 5y agoWeather was a major reason I chose to move to Southern California from Toronto. Bad weather affects my quality of life immensely. If it’s cold or wet I’m more likely to stay home, more likely to wake up late and it negatively affects my mood.
- stjohnswarts 5y agoYou sound like me. I hate cold weather, I hate snowy and icy roads and being cooped up inside because it's -10 outside. I hate the snow that never melts and the gray skies. Give me the American southwest any day over that.
- _dark_matter_ 5y agoI also live in Cleveland currently. I don't necessarily agree that it's 8 months of dreary skies. Winters can be some of the best and most beautiful months here. I also don't think they Solon is a nice suburb (the downtown truly sucks) though.
- justin66 5y agoI worked there for a couple of years. Solon has one of the best public school systems in the state and is near a couple of major freeways, which are probably the sorts of things you care about if you use phrases like "great suburb." :D I'm not sure how to actually define "downtown" there. It's not exactly walkable. The older and grungier parts of that metro area are actually nicer to live in if you like to walk.
- selimthegrim 5y ago