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>if you're straight and white and "normal" Why did you feel it was necessary to put that in your comment? Are you upset that a specific skin color of people de

>if you're straight and white and "normal" Why did you feel it was necessary to put that in your comment? Are you upset that a specific skin color of people decided to migrate to the Midwest? Did you witness lgbtq or people of certain skin colors being run out of town or receiving some sort of prejudice? Or are you being bigoted and just saying that due to their specific skin color and life choices they want people with different lifestyles to not enjoy prosperity?

bserge 5y ago
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Did you witness lgbtq or people of certain skin colors being run out of town or receiving some sort of prejudice? It's been a pretty consistent report of people I know who are visibly not “straight and white and ‘normal’” and whose prior US experience is limited to relatively cosmopolitan coastal areas who visit the Midwest (urban areas other otherwise) that not only does the WASP-normativity seem higher, but even minorities engage in more and more aggressive self-segregation from visibly different minorities, to the point of active avoidance on the street. Oddly, people who are or pass as “straight and white and ‘normal’” are much less likely to report this, and often seem surprised to hear it from others.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
- syshum 5y ago
  The issue I have here is the problem that they are not strait or white? Or it is a cultural problem where their behavior and actions are not the cultural norm? basically I dont believe it is the fact the person is non-white, or non-strait that is the issue, the issue is the actions, behaviors, attitude, and likely politics of the person that ends up being the problem, not their immutable characteristics.
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    Yes. It is not a problem to be non-white or non-straight. However, if that describes you, then you might have problems with society - people mistreating you. > the issue is the actions, behaviors, attitude, and likely politics of the person that ends up being the problem, not their immutable characteristics. Are you saying that non-white or non-straight people who have negative experiences are acting/behaving/believing in a problematic way? If so, then no - they should not have to act like straight white people to be respected by society. Also you can believe whatever you want but that's also incorrect - some people act disrespectfully towards people strictly based on their immutable characteristics, knowing nothing about how the victims act/behave/etc.
vineyardmike 5y ago
> Did you witness lgbtq or people of certain skin colors being run out of town or receiving some sort of prejudice? Yes. "Prejudice" is a very polite way of describing the treatment i've seen such people experience. > Are you upset that a specific skin color of people decided to migrate to the Midwest? No, people can move where ever they want. Its a warning to those people that they may not have the positive experience others had. See point on prejudice. > due to their specific skin color and life choices they want people with different lifestyles to not enjoy prosperity? 1. StraightWhiteNormal are not life choices. 2. People who are different may not enjoy or be afforded the same experience. See point on prejudice. 3. "Enjoy Prosperity" is very loaded. Not everyone finds that implied life prosperous.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  >StraightWhiteNormal are not life choices Yep, which means your various other comments focusing on exactly that are a form of bigotry, prejudice and/or racism. >"Enjoy Prosperity" is very loaded. Not everyone finds that implied life prosperous. No, but you did in your first comment.
throwawaygh 5y ago
> Did you witness lgbtq or people of certain skin colors being run out of town or receiving some sort of prejudice? Yes. Multiple teachers at my middle and high school were fired/forced out. This was long ago but not that long ago. I'm sure much as changed since then, and I wouldn't generalize that experience to the entire region, but it's always astounding to me when people don't realize that hostility to lgbtq people is very, very much a thing that not-even-close-to-retirement folks experienced first-hand while living in the midwest.
post_from_work 5y ago
>>>Did you witness lgbtq or people of certain skin colors being run out of town or receiving some sort of prejudice? A close friend of mine is a black Muslim, Marine Corps officer, and Afghanistan veteran. Likes to date white women (who doesn't?). He used to live/work predominantly in Ohio, also a bit in Texas I think. He got SOOOO tired of butthurt white guys harassing him at bars and such that he resigned his commission. Why was he fighting for this country to be treated this way at home? He then joined the New Zealand military for a few years, and now lives there permanently (presumably as a NZ citizen).
beranke3 5y ago
The amount of racism is pretty depressing in the Midwest. -Have had coworkers openly talk about how the company hires too many Indians and it's a "bad thing". -People saying how muslims are ruining and dirtying up their suburban neighborhoods -Skinheads verbally yell obscenities and spit at me and my minority coworkers. -Sprinkle in the barrier to entry for tech exec/leadership positions is not diverse and have seen first hand how douchey the hiring process is.. It's reaffirming to hear so many other people have similar sentiments. >Or are you being bigoted Maybe you should re-evaluate your outlook because you sound like you're part of the problem that makes the Midwest not appealing to minorities.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  The largest collection of skinheads exists in Oregon. You're showing your bias, totally based off a handful of anecdotal evidence. >It's reaffirming to hear so many other people have similar sentiments. Oof sounds pretty similar to something a racist would say. I'm fine with it though, move away. Part of the reason the Midwest is one of the better areas to live in and still affordable is because coastal elites continue believing they live in some utopia, while suckling the media narrative on flyover areas. Yep it's not appealing just avoid it. Enjoy all those homeless minorities you pretend to care about on the coasts! Thanks! :)
  - beranke3 5y ago
    Never been spit at on the east or west coast. We were just walking to grab lunch. The fact you're the one getting triggered by real anecdotes and dismissive is more reason it's not going to change anytime soon.
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      Ok how about this since we're going to just throw out unproven accusations and anecdotal evidence... I was born in the rural midwest and lived there for almost 30 years of my life. Not once have I ever heard of anyone receiving the treatment you claim to have received. Not once have I ever seen anyone receiving that treatment. Therefore, I'm inclined to believe your wild accusations that are so far outside the norm are some Jussie Smollett level incarnations unless you have verifiable evidence. Since I have the experience of multiple years in the midwest and you were just briefly visiting means my anecdotes have more weight. Just like I wouldn't trust a person from London to provide an accurate representation of life in the Congo I also do not trust you to provide and accurate depiction of life in the midwest. I live in CO now. I heard the N word multiple times coming out of white student's mouths here. So, I'll just go ahead and make an unfair blanket statement and assume the entirety of the western US is racist scum? NO, because I'm more intelligent than that and not a prejudiced bigot that assumes one person or a handful of people represent and entire area of the country. Take look at your responses. You're the one painting an entire group of people negatively based on one experience and we have online proof of it. That is the definition of bigotry.

bserge 5y ago

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Did you witness lgbtq or people of certain skin colors being run out of town or receiving some sort of prejudice? It's been a pretty consistent report of people I know who are visibly not “straight and white and ‘normal’” and whose prior US experience is limited to relatively cosmopolitan coastal areas who visit the Midwest (urban areas other otherwise) that not only does the WASP-normativity seem higher, but even minorities engage in more and more aggressive self-segregation from visibly different minorities, to the point of active avoidance on the street. Oddly, people who are or pass as “straight and white and ‘normal’” are much less likely to report this, and often seem surprised to hear it from others.

CountDrewku 5y ago
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
syshum 5y ago
The issue I have here is the problem that they are not strait or white? Or it is a cultural problem where their behavior and actions are not the cultural norm? basically I dont believe it is the fact the person is non-white, or non-strait that is the issue, the issue is the actions, behaviors, attitude, and likely politics of the person that ends up being the problem, not their immutable characteristics.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  Yes. It is not a problem to be non-white or non-straight. However, if that describes you, then you might have problems with society - people mistreating you. > the issue is the actions, behaviors, attitude, and likely politics of the person that ends up being the problem, not their immutable characteristics. Are you saying that non-white or non-straight people who have negative experiences are acting/behaving/believing in a problematic way? If so, then no - they should not have to act like straight white people to be respected by society. Also you can believe whatever you want but that's also incorrect - some people act disrespectfully towards people strictly based on their immutable characteristics, knowing nothing about how the victims act/behave/etc.

vineyardmike 5y ago

> Did you witness lgbtq or people of certain skin colors being run out of town or receiving some sort of prejudice? Yes. "Prejudice" is a very polite way of describing the treatment i've seen such people experience. > Are you upset that a specific skin color of people decided to migrate to the Midwest? No, people can move where ever they want. Its a warning to those people that they may not have the positive experience others had. See point on prejudice. > due to their specific skin color and life choices they want people with different lifestyles to not enjoy prosperity? 1. StraightWhiteNormal are not life choices. 2. People who are different may not enjoy or be afforded the same experience. See point on prejudice. 3. "Enjoy Prosperity" is very loaded. Not everyone finds that implied life prosperous.

CountDrewku 5y ago
>StraightWhiteNormal are not life choices Yep, which means your various other comments focusing on exactly that are a form of bigotry, prejudice and/or racism. >"Enjoy Prosperity" is very loaded. Not everyone finds that implied life prosperous. No, but you did in your first comment.

throwawaygh 5y ago

> Did you witness lgbtq or people of certain skin colors being run out of town or receiving some sort of prejudice? Yes. Multiple teachers at my middle and high school were fired/forced out. This was long ago but not that long ago. I'm sure much as changed since then, and I wouldn't generalize that experience to the entire region, but it's always astounding to me when people don't realize that hostility to lgbtq people is very, very much a thing that not-even-close-to-retirement folks experienced first-hand while living in the midwest.

post_from_work 5y ago

>>>Did you witness lgbtq or people of certain skin colors being run out of town or receiving some sort of prejudice? A close friend of mine is a black Muslim, Marine Corps officer, and Afghanistan veteran. Likes to date white women (who doesn't?). He used to live/work predominantly in Ohio, also a bit in Texas I think. He got SOOOO tired of butthurt white guys harassing him at bars and such that he resigned his commission. Why was he fighting for this country to be treated this way at home? He then joined the New Zealand military for a few years, and now lives there permanently (presumably as a NZ citizen).

beranke3 5y ago

The amount of racism is pretty depressing in the Midwest. -Have had coworkers openly talk about how the company hires too many Indians and it's a "bad thing". -People saying how muslims are ruining and dirtying up their suburban neighborhoods -Skinheads verbally yell obscenities and spit at me and my minority coworkers. -Sprinkle in the barrier to entry for tech exec/leadership positions is not diverse and have seen first hand how douchey the hiring process is.. It's reaffirming to hear so many other people have similar sentiments. >Or are you being bigoted Maybe you should re-evaluate your outlook because you sound like you're part of the problem that makes the Midwest not appealing to minorities.

CountDrewku 5y ago
The largest collection of skinheads exists in Oregon. You're showing your bias, totally based off a handful of anecdotal evidence. >It's reaffirming to hear so many other people have similar sentiments. Oof sounds pretty similar to something a racist would say. I'm fine with it though, move away. Part of the reason the Midwest is one of the better areas to live in and still affordable is because coastal elites continue believing they live in some utopia, while suckling the media narrative on flyover areas. Yep it's not appealing just avoid it. Enjoy all those homeless minorities you pretend to care about on the coasts! Thanks! :)
- beranke3 5y ago
  Never been spit at on the east or west coast. We were just walking to grab lunch. The fact you're the one getting triggered by real anecdotes and dismissive is more reason it's not going to change anytime soon.
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    Ok how about this since we're going to just throw out unproven accusations and anecdotal evidence... I was born in the rural midwest and lived there for almost 30 years of my life. Not once have I ever heard of anyone receiving the treatment you claim to have received. Not once have I ever seen anyone receiving that treatment. Therefore, I'm inclined to believe your wild accusations that are so far outside the norm are some Jussie Smollett level incarnations unless you have verifiable evidence. Since I have the experience of multiple years in the midwest and you were just briefly visiting means my anecdotes have more weight. Just like I wouldn't trust a person from London to provide an accurate representation of life in the Congo I also do not trust you to provide and accurate depiction of life in the midwest. I live in CO now. I heard the N word multiple times coming out of white student's mouths here. So, I'll just go ahead and make an unfair blanket statement and assume the entirety of the western US is racist scum? NO, because I'm more intelligent than that and not a prejudiced bigot that assumes one person or a handful of people represent and entire area of the country. Take look at your responses. You're the one painting an entire group of people negatively based on one experience and we have online proof of it. That is the definition of bigotry.